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allenyag
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There are many things that cross my mind. As we head into this dreary off season, the only thing that matches the disappointment is the uncertainty that lies ahead. This was supposed to be a time where we the Lakers' fans rallied against the Heat. It was supposed to be us, not the Spurs, waiting to meet them in the NBA finals. This year, the MVPuppets were supposed to finally have their long awaited showdown. It was supposed to be Kobe's swan song against King James. But Instead, we have reality. We have the future of the franchise anxiously awaiting his opportunity at free agency. We have a broken war hero, who refuses to accept reality. We have a coach who doesn't understand his personnel. We have a former mvp, who was supposed to be an orchestrator, reduced to a shooting guard. And most importantly, we have a payroll that would even cause the Isaiah Thomas era Knicks to take a step back. And so, many negative thought run through my head as a die-hard Lakers fan. But of the lot, three recur regularly in my head. Maybe it is because I frequent this blog a lot, or maybe it is because they are the most important. And so like any other fan on here, I thought, if I put thought to key board, it would help me move on. 1. Lakers were not going to, and will not, hire Phil Jackson. Let's accept this and move on. Over and over again, Steven A Smith bashes our owner for not hiring the Zen Master. Yes, he would have been the obvious choice for our personnel, and for our bizarre soap opera style story line. However, as entertaining as Mr. Smith may be, he has missed the boat entirely on why....


IhatetheCeltics
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I don't agree with number one. Some writers say that he was asking for stake in ownership, however people close to Phil and Phil himself said that was never the case. You're also incorrect that only Jeanie and Jim own all of Dr. Buss's majority share of the lakers. It's split across all of his kids, not just Jeanie and Jim. With #3, if you amnesty a player, any team can then claim him and he has no say in it. So that doesn't work either. Plus, amnestying a franchise player like that just sends a bad message to future free agents.


TheInfamous55
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My two cents is that if Jim is to be overthrown, it is to be by other share holders and Jeanie to out vote Jim's role in the company just like how Steve Jobs got moved out of his own company. I believe that as long as Jimbo is in charge of making basketball decisions and as long as Danphoni is coach, the Lakers are destined to fail.

We have a lot of cap space opening up soon and the issue that I am most afraid of is how it all can be misused. All this money to get the right pieces to solidify a winning repertoire for the next 5-10 years in my opinion is a business matter, a position Jeanie and her Husband can make the best out of. Someone should just tell Jim to sit back and enjoy his half and open a hat store or something.

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a2j1m
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Another thought: will Kobe come back the same guy? Or is him avg 25-27 points a night gone. Achilles injury is pretty serious :/


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The biggest problem with your #3 item of amnestying Kobe is that the decision must be made right away in the 2nd week of July. There's no turning back. How can anybody really know Kobe's status at that point? Kobe is going to want to return to the court ASAP...so chances are he would be playing for another team during the season. Yeah, the Lakers would save a ridiculous amount of luxury tax money but in the process they could damage their brand beyond what we might imagine.


Shaq
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i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team


allenyag
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Here is why I dont like the luxury tax.

  1. Limits moves we can make to become champions (ie limit sign and trades on other teams players, can't sign 2nd tier free agents with the smaller mid level exception, makes it difficult to execute a viable trade for if we lose howard)

  2. 1 billion in taxes does not = championship

  3. The fans pay the tax because of higher ticket prices


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^ The Lakers should and will make decisions in the best interests of the team regardless of the luxury tax they pay for this coming season. They can save tax money if they want, but they will need to do it in a smart way rather than a ruthless money saving way such as amnestying Kobe. They're in a position to be able to eat the tax bill for this season especially while the CBA repeater stipulations are not in effect. The main consideration is they don't want to do anything stupid that will damage the team permanently on the court, and that's what they have to think of first.

They've set themselves up very well to be a non-payer in the foreseeable future (after the summer of 2014) which is a good thing. They're very fortunate to have the Time-Warner deal that was negotiated, so the last thing they want to do is pinch pennies so much that they harm the team now and possibly for a long time too.


14ALL41
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Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

Yes!! It's not my money. .. .


ralppcobarde
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14ALL41 wrote:
Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

Yes!! It's not my money. .. .

Well.yeah. A barely 8 seeded team hat really look like a championship team


LakerDymes
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Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

as a laker fan you SHOULD care about how much taxes the Lakers pay. if they start paying taxes to the point that it affects their profit margins than that will have an negative impact on the team.


LALayup
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Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

LakerDymes wrote:
as a laker fan you SHOULD care about how much taxes the Lakers pay. if they start paying taxes to the point that it affects their profit margins than that will have an negative impact on the team.

The way the Lakers have structured their team salary, it's one year of heavy taxes and then they'll be clear to stay adjusted to the new restrictions. Other teams have not been as smart about it as the Lakers. That's their problem. So if the Lakers aren't worried about it, then why worry so much for them? They will have no problem paying their bills! It's WAY more important for the future health of the franchise that they put the best team on the court that they possibly can for now and going forward.


Shaq
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LakerDymes wrote:
Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

as a laker fan you SHOULD care about how much taxes the Lakers pay. if they start paying taxes to the point that it affects their profit margins than that will have an negative impact on the team.

what I am saying is that if it requires some painful taxes to make the team better, then make it

I really would not feel any more happy if I know that we paid lower taxes this year. I only care about the quality of my team, we are a basketball club not a business, basketball should be the priority


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LALayup wrote:
Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

LakerDymes wrote:
as a laker fan you SHOULD care about how much taxes the Lakers pay. if they start paying taxes to the point that it affects their profit margins than that will have an negative impact on the team.

The way the Lakers have structured their team salary, it's one year of heavy taxes and then they'll be clear to stay adjusted to the new restrictions. Other teams have not been as smart about it as the Lakers. That's their problem. So if the Lakers aren't worried about it, then why worry so much for them? They will have no problem paying their bills! It's WAY more important for the future health of the franchise that they put the best team on the court that they possibly can for now and going forward.

I understand and follow your sentiment. I was just responding to his ridiculous statement about a billion dollar tax.

And to clarify, the Lakers are worried about their tax situation. Remember how they have traded players recently at the cost of picks just to get rid of the contracts. Vujacic,Walton,fisher and you could make a case Odom was shipped out also because of taxes.

What I'm trying to say is that just because the Lakers are in a good financial position tax wise doesn't mean they completely ignore the matter


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Shaq wrote:
LakerDymes wrote:
Shaq wrote:
i don't understand why people/fans want to amnesty players just to avoid paying taxes. As a Laker fan, I would not mind the LA organization and ownership to pay even 1 billion in taxes if that guaranteed a championship team

as a laker fan you SHOULD care about how much taxes the Lakers pay. if they start paying taxes to the point that it affects their profit margins than that will have an negative impact on the team.

what I am saying is that if it requires some painful taxes to make the team better, then make it

I really would not feel any more happy if I know that we paid lower taxes this year. I only care about the quality of my team, we are a basketball club not a business, basketball should be the priority

Your a passionate laker fan and I understand as I am one myself, but cmon dude the ending to that last sentence of yours is completely delusional.

The lakers ARE a business first and foremost. The reason they spend so much money on the team is because they love to win, but their number one priority is always to make money. If they were winning and not making as much money you better believe that the roster payroll would be way lower.

Also the Lakers are the buss' main source of income, so when they decide to spend money on a big FA they are taking a bigger risk than other franchises because the buss empire is built on the Lakers success so if they become irrelevant then they will lose money. However they also can't risk spending too much money either since if the players they acquire don't live up to their contracts that will also have a negative impact. The Lakers have to be run much more carefully than other teams even though it seems that they just carelessly spend money at times.

Fans sometimes forget that the buss family aren't as wealthy compared to other team owners. Which is quite amazing considering how successful they have been.


Shaq
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^^ I agree that, to some extent, the owners have to care about the taxes and the "business thing" as well. What I don't get is why us, the fans, have to care about this and ask to amnesty our players without any real gain for the team. If the owners don't mind paying taxes, then leave it as it is. It's another thing to ask to amnesty Artest to get cap space and another thing to ask to ask amnesty Artest or Kobe just to avoid paying some taxes. Only argument that made some sense was that with the ticket price opportunity cost, but still I don't find it that important


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As for the business thing, the Lakers are first and foremost in the entertainment industry. Typically owners get into the sports team ownership arena after making beaucoup bucks in some other business venture. Sports teams are not known for being a wise business venture or money maker. You only get in if you can afford to lose a lot of money and not really notice it. That wasn't always true of Jerry Buss, but it's true of the Lakers now.

That's not to say that the Lakers should throw away money needlessly, but squeezing in a way that impacts the product on the court negatively seems to be a really bad idea. After all, the only way they make money in the long run is by putting a good product on the court to maintain that amazing international brand they've created over time.


allenyag
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Since posting this a few days ago, I've put some thought into it, and I don't see Dwight re-signing. If that is the case I hope for the following:

1) Steve Nash retires (taking his 9.5 million off the books)

2) Ron Artest (Metta World Peace) opts out of his contract (because he is that stupid)

3) We amnesty Pau Gasol, dropping payroll to 44 million. (if, and only if, part 1, 2, and 4 will happen)

4) We sign Chris Paul

This is the only scenario I would agree as a fan to parting with Pau. I don't see it happening, so I don't ever want to see Pau leave.


ralppcobarde
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allenyag wrote:
Since posting this a few days ago, I've put some thought into it, and I don't see Dwight re-signing. If that is the case I hope for the following:

1) Steve Nash retires (taking his 9.5 million off the books)

2) Ron Artest (Metta World Peace) opts out of his contract (because he is that stupid)

3) We amnesty Pau Gasol, dropping payroll to 44 million. (if, and only if, part 1, 2, and 4 will happen)

4) We sign Chris Paul

This is the only scenario I would agree as a fan to parting with Pau. I don't see it happening, so I don't ever want to see Pau leave.

agreed, fans forget the value of Pau bring in to this team. he was one of the guys who are longing for team ball. in fact, we owed him an apology because in so many little ways he helped the team. he allowed himself to play second fiddle with this post player Dwight but in fact he should be always downlow because he is more skilled than Dwight. because of Dwights inability to stretch the floor for Pau there is no room him downlow except when Dwight goes to the bench.

BTW, it was nice to see you coming here in LTB i like your post. good job I'm gonna give you a rep vote. keep posting!


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ralppcobarde wrote:
allenyag wrote:
Since posting this a few days ago, I've put some thought into it, and I don't see Dwight re-signing. If that is the case I hope for the following:

1) Steve Nash retires (taking his 9.5 million off the books)

2) Ron Artest (Metta World Peace) opts out of his contract (because he is that stupid)

3) We amnesty Pau Gasol, dropping payroll to 44 million. (if, and only if, part 1, 2, and 4 will happen)

4) We sign Chris Paul

This is the only scenario I would agree as a fan to parting with Pau. I don't see it happening, so I don't ever want to see Pau leave.

agreed, fans forget the value of Pau bring in to this team. he was one of the guys who are longing for team ball. in fact, we owed him an apology because in so many little ways he helped the team. he allowed himself to play second fiddle with this post player Dwight but in fact he should be always downlow because he is more skilled than Dwight. because of Dwights inability to stretch the floor for Pau there is no room him downlow except when Dwight goes to the bench.

BTW, it was nice to see you coming here in LTB i like your post. good job I'm gonna give you a rep vote. keep posting!

Just to piggy back on what you said, I love that pau really is a team first guy...to a certain extent. He wasn't open to coming off the bench but I mean he's earned the right to start. He had so many games this season where he was putting up 20+ pts and 10+ rebs because he was actually being utilize properly. I GUARANTEE you if we had zach randolph instead of pau Zbo would be a shell of himself because of our coach. I hate hearing how pau is done as a player. Post players last so long. Look at duncan, dirk, Zbo, and even david lee who has been underrated for so long. Pau can contribute just as much as them but our coach uses pau on top of the key making decisions when he's suppose to be on the block. Pau is happy with being the 3rd or 4th option. He doesn't care. He probably admires the less workload and I like that. We need a piece like that. Not saying he's a long term fix because he is 32 or 33 years old but I believe pau has at least 3 years left as a really good post player. He's just not being utilized properly. It's no coincidence that he was playing some of his best basketball when he was getting the ball on the block. That's where he belongs. We need a coach more than anything. That's where my focus is at. Dwight comes second imo.


allenyag
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Thanks for the rep vote, ralppcobarde


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