Pau Gasol to Ask for Trade at Season's End?

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Pretty interesting. If Pau does end up leaving at the season's end, I give him credit for not trying to rock the boat, and ask for a trade now. We'll see what happens with the Spaniard.

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So what is up with amnesty we can use that in the off season right?Who will we use it on,it's our last chance to use it?We can use amnesty on the following eligible players Kobe Bryant,Pau Gasol,MWP,Steve Blake.Or will we just not use it?Anyways trading Pau Gasol seems very likely after reading this article about him not being happy again.

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T.J. SIMERS

Not seeing eye to eye, Lakers' Pau Gasol takes long view of coach

Lakers Coach Mike D'Antoni has benched and seemingly embarrassed Pau Gasol. The 7-footer thinks coach is wrong, yet somehow he understands. It's just how he is.

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By T.J. Simers

February 4, 2013, 7:20 p.m.

NEW YORK �" In this mess of a Lakers season, there has remained one crazy, befuddling constant: Mike D'Antoni's decision to embarrass and then bench Pau Gasol.

Good for Earl Clark.

But when D'Antoni began his stint as Lakers coach by not playing Gasol in the fourth quarter, replying, "I was thinking I'd like to win this game," it was a big-time putdown.

It seemed like too much, too soon, especially for someone who has meant so much to the Lakers.

"It's hard to know personalities if you don't get in touch with them," said Gasol, his relationship with the Lakers coach now cordial and tension-free but still anchored in disagreement.

The coach and player met at a Manhattan Beach restaurant a few weeks back, and most folks were left with the impression they had a meeting of minds.

"It was an effort on our part to try and come to an understanding," Gasol said. "But I don't think it's translated to an understanding. Nothing significant has happened; it's probably even gone a little backwards."

Jim Buss said recently he was told by D'Antoni that Gasol was a happy camper now because D'Antoni was saving Gasol's knees and prolonging his career.

It was amusing news to Gasol, who played 37 minutes against Minnesota and 40 versus Detroit.

"Never heard that," he said.

We talked Monday morning over $10 coffee at the Ritz-Carlton hotel adjacent to Central Park. The sports columnist picked up the tab while the $19-million-a-year basketball player promised to get the next one �" as if he will be with the Lakers long enough to pay off.

"If this coach stays and Dwight Howard remains with the Lakers," I asked, "what about you?"

"It would be hard for me to deal with another season knowing the facts you just mentioned," said Gasol, 32 and with one year remaining on his contract.

"So do you ask for a fresh start elsewhere?"

"It's a possibility," he said, "yes."

He will not request a trade before this month's deadline, he said, although he knows there is interest from other teams for a starting center and he will be returning to the bench soon.

"I'm not a quitter," he said. "Just because things look better on the other side of the fence, I'm not going to take the easy way out.

"I have a certain level of loyalty here, and I've been through a lot of great, amazing things. And there have been others that have been hurtful. But that's life.

"I don't have cancer, my mom wasn't dying and I'm still playing basketball. I love the Lakers and Los Angeles, and none of that has changed just because certain things are out of my control."

Athletes don't come much more friendly than Gasol, who treats everyone attentively from team president to arena janitor.

In fact, he refused to blame D'Antoni for misusing him.

"He has his philosophy and system, and the Lakers hired him," said Gasol. "It's not his fault.

"His philosophy is to play with one big guy and four guys spread out, so then he had to make a decision: Dwight or Pau?"

It was an easy decision. The Lakers are committed to making Howard happy so he will return.

"That is correct," Gasol said.

And Gasol is under contract for next season.

"There you go," he said. "I understand that."

So what happens next?

"They try to decide how I can be productive in this mix, while I know I'm not going to be in position to do what I do best and help us win more games. It's frustrating, but it's not going to stop me from playing as hard as I can in whatever role."

We all have bosses who don't always get it right. Believe me, I know.

"I'm fortunate to be doing what I am for a living and being highly rewarded for it," Gasol said. "But it hurts me that this unique opportunity we have with such good players is not being maximized."

Kobe Bryant has already praised Gasol and said he has no worries how Gasol will respond to his disappointment.

"We've won championships together, so Kobe knows," said Gasol. "I like the place where he's at now, unselfishly doing what he can to help us win."

As dominant as Gasol was in the Olympics and as highly regarded as he is in the NBA, he said there have been times when he has felt disrespected by D'Antoni.

"But I'm not going to let it affect me. In a way he's messing with my season, but not my career. I know what I've accomplished, and I still feel like I'm one of the best players in the world."

This isn't his first brush with disappointment. Before last season he was gone in a trade for Chris Paul only to return in a flash when the deal was vetoed by the NBA commissioner. His name continues to be mentioned in trade rumors.

But without knowing what Howard is going to do, it's unlikely the Lakers will risk trading Gasol.

"Dwight is a huge presence defensively," said Gasol. "But in a perfect world I'd love to see us dominating as an interior couple, thereby making everything easier for our teammates.

"I'm always trying to pass to Dwight to get him going. He hasn't been very effective from the post, so I want to give him easy shots and get him into rhythm. You know he's going to get fouled and then he'll make one out of two."

Gasol still has a sense of humor, and he will continue to need it.

"Nothing is going to change, but I have no doubt we could coexist and dominate every single game," Gasol said, the proof in how well he played alongside his brother for Spain.

"I believe 100% if I was starting inside with Dwight we could make the playoffs. I just don't know if coming off the bench gives the team a chance to be better and win more games."

I also took care of the tip for coffee in case Gasol is still here a year from now and picks up the next round.

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Not sure about the amnesty clause. But my guess is we trade Pau by the deadline.

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Financial implications might force us to do it. But then I hope management realize that it is Dantoni we have to change

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The Amnesty will be used on Steve Blake, none of the others. Unless he proves he deserves not to be cut, his the only who one likely I'd say. Duhon will go since his contract is non-guaranteed next season. Ebanks and Morris will be let go.

Jamison I don't know, maybe 1 more year on a very small contract.

That leaves us money to re-sign Earl Clark and try and get someone like Mo Williams, Jarret Jack ,Devin Harris or Dj Augustin. I'd welcome any of those.

Of course that all depends on Howard/Gasol scenarios.

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Quite frankly, I want to keep Blake. Amnesty Duhon.

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Interesting read...Pau is very professional and although he sounds like he's crying, I can't help but respect what he says. He says all the right things. Pau needs to go to a team where he'll be utilized in the post more, unfortunately. It's unfortunate to me because he's still one of my favorite players. I don't understand why some fans want to exile him because of 2 seasons where he played sub par in a system he's not accustomed to. We're asking the guy to shoot jumpers and play off the ball. If you look at our championship years with him, He was so good because the ball ran through him half the time and the other half through kobe. It's no coincidence pau is scoring 20+ as soon as dwight is out. He may not be putting up the numbers we are accustomed to watching for whatever reason but at least respect the man for helping us win 2 titles. Some people want to kick him to the curb and act as if he was just another player. Not too long ago people were wondering if pau would get his jersey retired and now some people want to burn it. We're better than that as fans.

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What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

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showtimelakers11 wrote:
What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

Yeah i get the exact same feeling as well.

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showtimelakers11 wrote:
Quite frankly, I want to keep Blake. Amnesty Duhon.

No need to amnesty Duhon, he can be cut just like that,without using the amnesty provision. Duhon's contract is non guaranteed next season as I said above.

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We get more value for him now IMO. I don't think Mitch turns down a Smith, Korver deal

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Remember guys, he won't be traded at the deadline because we don't know if Dwight will resign. I personally don't understand the whole big man insurance because, ya it would help if gasol would be our center if Dwight leaves but, were still going down the toilet. But I see pau being traded in the offseason because then he would only have a year left on the contract.

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What kills me is that he is on a road trip this is bonding time with your teammates now your going to add more tension in the air when you need to be focusing on winning...smh. I say just trade gasol now he doesn't realize that him coming off the bench makes their bench stronger. That ish is cray

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showtimelakers11 wrote:
What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

Pau wants Antoni gone. He will be traded if Antoni is the coach going forward. It's a shame though. Pau and Dwight together is a blessing that not a lot of people are appreciating at this point. The best offensive big man backed by the best defensive big man is a normal coaches dream. The FO messed up big time by not bringing back PJ, or any other coach that was available.

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Who can blame him? Jim Buss is running the team into the ground, Mike D'Antoni doesn't like him nor respect him, Dwight is unwilling to improve his game to work with Pau Gasol, and fans want him gone! You think this guy wants to be here. He already won 2 championship rings here. The closest friend he has on the team is Kobe. They both have a lot of respect for each other. Yet Gasol knows that he's in a system that doesn't fit him and yet they're not playing to it anyway. He knows by next year they're gonna try and move in that direction and he knows his value to the Lakers will go down. I'm not talking about trade value, I'm talking about his usefulness to the team that acquired him and made him feel welcomed. When he no longer feels welcomed he would try to leave and who could blame him? The guy is a genius yet people treat him like trash. Dwight's an imbecile and people call him the second coming. Pau plays with fundamentals, but can't move as quickly. Dwight has no fundamentals and without his athleticism he has no quick movement. Do you see my fundamental (no pun intended) issue with Dwight when it comes to his abilities and usefulness to work with Pau Gasol? Going with the above and comparing him to D'Antoni. Pau Gasol does not move quickly. D'Antoni wants a fast offense. Pau Gasol has great offensive skills (fundamentally) still. D'Antoni wants an offensive game moving at all cylinders at all times. Pau Gasol is unable to play a strong defensive 4 and must play a finesse 5. D'Antoni likes finesse 5s that are interchangeable with 4s in case of the need for a quick 3 by his 5. Gasol can hit....

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Kannaps wrote:
The Amnesty will be used on Steve Blake, none of the others. Unless he proves he deserves not to be cut, his the only who one likely I'd say. Duhon will go since his contract is non-guaranteed next season. Ebanks and Morris will be let go.

Jamison I don't know, maybe 1 more year on a very small contract.

That leaves us money to re-sign Earl Clark and try and get someone like Mo Williams, Jarret Jack ,Devin Harris or Dj Augustin. I'd welcome any of those.

Of course that all depends on Howard/Gasol scenarios.

I highly doubt Jamison would stay another year. He came to the Lakers making $15 million and averaging 17.2 PPG and 19.5 PPG for his career. Now making $1.4 M and averaging 8 PPG, he will never reclaim the status he maintained the year before he joined us; from both a financial and ability standpoint. Jamison hasn't lost his game; he has just been highly misused this entire season. Mike has only recently started to figure him out. He is another player, like Pau, who has enormous talent that is not being maximized by Mike. My guess is that you see Jamison head to Miami or OKC after this year to go for the ring on his way out. At this point, he has nothing to lose considering he will probably be a vet-min player until he retires.

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This interview brings out the best in Pau. He is probably the most professional and loyal player in the NBA. He has dealt with trade talks the last three years, during the season and off season, and was even gone at one point, yet still sits here today saying he wont rock the boat and request a trade because he is not a quitter. This guy is the definition of a true role model and respectable athlete. Though slower in has last few years, he is still one of the most skilled big men in the game. Unfortunately, the offense just doesn't fit his skill set under Mike.

If you read between the lines, he is pointing out his disappointment in the FO. He is nothing more than a token at this point, and anyone can see that. The only reason he won't be traded is because Dwight could leave and the Lakers need him as a backup. Could you imagine the realistic possibility that both big men leave the team at the end of the year? Yikes.

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Flames_24 wrote:
What kills me is that he is on a road trip this is bonding time with your teammates now your going to add more tension in the air when you need to be focusing on winning...smh. I say just trade gasol now he doesn't realize that him coming off the bench makes their bench stronger. That ish is cray

^^Werd, thats what I am feeling!

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I love gasol, and i understand his frustrations but if he wants to remain with the lakers and win a championship HERE, he will have to step up his game like EVERYONE else has had to do. Earl has been lingering in nba obscurity, he is NOT about to give up his payday to appease gasol, neither would I. gasol has to earn that spot back and he has not. had he and dwight been manning the paint and just killing it on defense, theres no way in hell he would have been benched. He was benched because he was putting up subpar numbers on offense and playing matador defense. And if he opts to go then go he must because there are several lower tier players like nene, dejuan blair, chuck hayes and brandon bass that I would trade his behind for right now if I could.

gasols issue with the team has to do with OFFENSE.....well our issue isn't OFFENSE, its defense and when it comes to pau, it freaking SUCKS. I don't care how many rebounds he gets, he has almost NO defensive presence on the court. Teams continue to rape us in the paint, he never slides over to offer help side defense and bend over for a ball on the floor....forget about it. the game against phoenix is a perfect example, on the last play of the game ron stripped beasley of the ball, it rolled RIGHT TO GASOL S FEET!!! all he had to do was pick up the ball, he couldn't even do that. Beasley recovered the ball, AND scored over him.

So again, I get where gasol is coming from but at this point I wouldn't be too devastated if we got somebody like a blair or nene for him. Somebody who can get ten to fifteen points a night without needing plays run for them. And most importantly, someone that brings energy, hustle and a presence on the DEFENSIVE end because gasol absolutely does not!

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je389 wrote:
showtimelakers11 wrote:
What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

Pau wants Antoni gone. He will be traded if Antoni is the coach going forward. It's a shame though. Pau and Dwight together is a blessing that not a lot of people are appreciating at this point. The best offensive big man backed by the best defensive big man is a normal coaches dream. The FO messed up big time by not bringing back PJ, or any other coach that was available.

I think you're right here. The untold story is that Dwight probably feels the same way as Pau about D'Antoni at this point. I don't see these two bigs having a problem playing with each other in the slightest...assuming they're not playing in D'Antoni's seemingly inflexible offensive scheme.

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well... its obvious that we're stuck with what we got for now. if pau wants out at the end of the season then i hope he plays his heart out like he has been the past couple of games. 7ft who can shoot, pass, soft touch around the rim, skilled footwork, 20/10. i think we can grab kevin love for that.

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Wrong coach... with that many ego that many allstar you gonna need Phil. They don't even run Mike system anymore. And everytime they tried run n gun, they blown through lead.

Brown paper bag time.

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LALayup wrote:
je389 wrote:
showtimelakers11 wrote:
What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

Pau wants Antoni gone. He will be traded if Antoni is the coach going forward. It's a shame though. Pau and Dwight together is a blessing that not a lot of people are appreciating at this point. The best offensive big man backed by the best defensive big man is a normal coaches dream. The FO messed up big time by not bringing back PJ, or any other coach that was available.

I think you're right here. The untold story is that Dwight probably feels the same way as Pau about D'Antoni at this point. I don't see these two bigs having a problem playing with each other in the slightest...assuming they're not playing in D'Antoni's seemingly inflexible offensive scheme.

if we change the system, meaning dropping dantoni, then the two of them can play together. jim buss really messed this up by hiring him. and sorry, but i dont foresee jimbo admitting his mistake by firing dantoni. what a mess...

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MAN MAN MAN smh Jim buss F... This team up big time and add Dantoni to that list too

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A spoiled brat son that's pretending to know how and what to do...He is a wacko! Everybody knows it...Only people in the media, specially Lakers media are trying to save their jobs to say positive things about this franchise...

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People this is not an offensive problem like all of you want to make it about dantoni.

Its defensive because Gasol can not guard the power forward spot anymore. He can barely guard centers, that is why you cant play him with howard alot because teams play small ball now and Gasol will get killed by Durant, James, Griffin and all guards in perimeter pick and roll.

Offensively Dantoni could make the two work but deffensively not even Phil could make the two of them work because Gasol is too slow to defend away from the basket. Howard could maybe defend away but even he would get beaten by many and would not be allowed to protect the rim his specialty.

It is because of the defense, energy, and ability to spread the floor that makes clark work at PF.

Not to mention, Howard gets stripped when gasol is in his area and does not allow him alot of room to work.

Alot of this is on Howards need for space too.

It is not Dantoni thing but an incompatibility thing why gasol and howard cant be on the court together.

It was proof last year with Gasol and bynum too that it was not a great fit and why we did not succedd because we were deffensively weak and slow with the twin centers in.

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I would trade Gasol now while he has value, like I said this year has been terrible and we might as well get a few pieces. Including a decent big in case Howard doesn't stay

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People this is not an offensive problem like all of you want to make it about dantoni.

Its defensive because Gasol can not guard the power forward spot anymore. He can barely guard centers, that is why you cant play him with howard alot because teams play small ball now and Gasol will get killed by Durant, James, Griffin and all guards in perimeter pick and roll.

Offensively Dantoni could make the two work but deffensively not even Phil could make the two of them work because Gasol is too slow to defend away from the basket. Howard could maybe defend away but even he would get beaten by many and would not be allowed to protect the rim his specialty.

It is because of the defense, energy, and ability to spread the floor that makes clark work at PF.

Not to mention, Howard gets stripped when gasol is in his area and does not allow him alot of room to work.

Alot of this is on Howards need for space too.

It is not Dantoni thing but an incompatibility thing why gasol and howard cant be on the court together.

It was proof last year with Gasol and bynum too that it was not a great fit and why we did not succedd because we were deffensively weak and slow with the twin centers in.

Nicely put I must say.

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The Amnesty will be used on Steve Blake, none of the others. Unless he proves he deserves not to be cut, his the only who one likely I'd say. Duhon will go since his contract is non-guaranteed next season. Ebanks and Morris will be let go.

Jamison I don't know, maybe 1 more year on a very small contract.

That leaves us money to re-sign Earl Clark and try and get someone like Mo Williams, Jarret Jack ,Devin Harris or Dj Augustin. I'd welcome any of those.

Of course that all depends on Howard/Gasol scenarios.

Seriously doubt the lakers would amnesty anybody. If they do then its going to be someone making more than 8 million. Blake is only making 4 this year and next year which would be his final. Also the lakers would still be over the cap if Howard stays or not. We wont have any type of money to pay good players like Williams, Jack, Harris. As much as i dont like morris, Morris and Ebanks need to stay. You think a bunch of 30+ year old players can go up agaisnt the younger, faster teams. DOnt think so. Keep them.

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je389 wrote:
showtimelakers11 wrote:
What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

Pau wants Antoni gone. He will be traded if Antoni is the coach going forward. It's a shame though. Pau and Dwight together is a blessing that not a lot of people are appreciating at this point. The best offensive big man backed by the best defensive big man is a normal coaches dream. The FO messed up big time by not bringing back PJ, or any other coach that was available.

Ah yes the old twin towers theory. Well it didn't work when AB was in LA either. Because Pau isn't really a 4, he's not athletic of strong enough. He's a natural 5, which he admits to himself. So finding room in the post for him and a center has not been a successful experiment. As much as it makes everyone salivate at the prospect. Waste of time. Better he come off the bench as their anchor, as I said 2 seasons ago. If Pau is still the best PF is the NBA then why is he being outplayed by Clark? Why can he stop no one on D?

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People this is not an offensive problem like all of you want to make it about dantoni.

Its defensive because Gasol can not guard the power forward spot anymore. He can barely guard centers, that is why you cant play him with howard alot because teams play small ball now and Gasol will get killed by Durant, James, Griffin and all guards in perimeter pick and roll.

Offensively Dantoni could make the two work but deffensively not even Phil could make the two of them work because Gasol is too slow to defend away from the basket. Howard could maybe defend away but even he would get beaten by many and would not be allowed to protect the rim his specialty.

It is because of the defense, energy, and ability to spread the floor that makes clark work at PF.

Not to mention, Howard gets stripped when gasol is in his area and does not allow him alot of room to work.

Alot of this is on Howards need for space too.

It is not Dantoni thing but an incompatibility thing why gasol and howard cant be on the court together.

It was proof last year with Gasol and bynum too that it was not a great fit and why we did not succedd because we were deffensively weak and slow with the twin centers in.

Absolutely right...!

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Why not Dwight play the 4 and Gasol at the 5, I mean Dwight is several inches shorter but has NO outside game.

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laker083234 wrote:
Gasol will get killed by Durant, James, Griffin and all guards in perimeter pick and roll.

But why is Pau being faulted for something a majority of 4s can't do?

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lakers need to trade gasol and let him play else where he can play better. I think whats holding up gasol trade probably howard being out

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Firstly i'm not the biggest Pau Gasol fan on this site LOL.But bad defense or not this man is a freaking offensive beast and a proven 2 time champion.If a team needs a big man and they are not strongly pursuing Pau Gasol then they are freaking crazy IMO.That's like saying a team is passing up on a Rik Smits in his prime when they don't grab Pau Gasol when he is supposedly available LOL.I think he is not really available and Mitch is keeping Pau Gasol for now.But if he is available teams are insane not to inquire about him and offer up something we can accept.

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Mike D'Antoni's treatment of Pau has made me sick. Pau actually means something to this franchise whereas Antoni doesn't mean a rats *** to this glorious organization. That "I was thinking I'd like to win this game" comment was one of the most stubborn things for a new coach to say. Reading this again has put me over the edge. Antoni can get lost, he's not gonna bring anything good to this franchise, it just keeps making me crazy when I think how Jim and Mitch hired this guy. I'm sick of him and his stubborn character.

Also I laugh every time I see Knicks fans say 'good luck with D'Antoni' or 'Thank goodness he isn't our coach anymore' because it is so damn true! He sucks!

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Trade him as soon as possible

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Pau Gasol: ‘It’s a possibility’ I’ll ask for trade if D’Antoni, Dwight back with Lakers next year By Dan Devine | Ball Don't Lie �" 43 minutes ago
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As I noted earlier Tuesday, Los Angeles Lakers big man Pau Gasol has turned in consecutive strong outings with Dwight Howard sidelined by a shoulder injury, averaging 22.5 points and 11.5 rebounds in nearly 39 minutes per game at the center spot in back-to-back wins. The 32-year-old Spaniard will get another chance to log heavy minutes at the five at Barclays Center on Tuesday night, as the Lakers will face the Brooklyn Nets without....

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Oh don't trade him i love this angry Pau Gasol he is super dangerous compared to the soft spoken Pau.I like how he is getting 22.5 points and 11.5 rebounds per game,this is the i don't give a hell Pau.The Pau Gasol that wants to rip the life out of his opponent,the man who helped us win back to back championships.Keep this guy around make him demand a trade and don't give in start playing dirty with these cry baby players.

Don't give in to trade requests hold your ground and force them to play hard and discipline these fools by taking minutes away from them.Become the team that is in control of the players.Don't let the inmates run the asylum.

Kobe Bryant requested a trade in 2007 and we all know how that turned out when Mitch and the Buss family didn't give in to his request and kept him.Keep Pau Gasol make it get nasty,he can hold out if he wants still don't trade him,get tougher on these type of demands.

These players are making big money,this cat is making $19 million dollars per season,stop pouting fool and keep on playing with Lakers pride or just retire and play in Spain once your contract runs out because this is the NBA it stands for no babies allowed.Pau Gasol must man up and just be a beast on the court like his last 2 games.Shut up and play.

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AChad92
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This guy shouldn't be demanding s***. Thanks for the history with us but it's definitely time for you to go.

lakernet79
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Shepherd wrote:
je389 wrote:
showtimelakers11 wrote:
What I'm feeling in this situation is that Pau kinda sorta wants to be traded. But Mitch doesn't want to.......yet.

Pau wants Antoni gone. He will be traded if Antoni is the coach going forward. It's a shame though. Pau and Dwight together is a blessing that not a lot of people are appreciating at this point. The best offensive big man backed by the best defensive big man is a normal coaches dream. The FO messed up big time by not bringing back PJ, or any other coach that was available.

Ah yes the old twin towers theory. Well it didn't work when AB was in LA either. Because Pau isn't really a 4, he's not athletic of strong enough. He's a natural 5, which he admits to himself. So finding room in the post for him and a center has not been a successful experiment. As much as it makes everyone salivate at the prospect. Waste of time. Better he come off the bench as their anchor, as I said 2 seasons ago. If Pau is still the best PF is the NBA then why is he being outplayed by Clark? Why can he stop no one on D?

Just quoting you because your post reminded me of this.

When Bynum went down a few years ago Pau was forced to play C. He did not like it at all, he complained that he took a beating got worn down by playing all these other centers that were bigger than him and he wanted back to his natural 4 spot. Now he wants the 5 spot back? Seriously Pau can you just stop complaining? You just can't have it both ways.

What really bothers me about Pau this year is the fact that each one of our star players has changed something about their game to try to make this work. Kobe has become a facilitator, Nash plays without the ball at times, Dwight get less touches. The only thing I have heard them complain about is the team losing. Sure Pau is being brought out away from the basket a little, but he still gets post touches. And his complaint is that HIS role is changing. Wake up Pau, you're not the only one on this team that has been asked to change...you're just the only one complaining so loud about it.

I like Pau, I appreciate all he has done for us, but it comes down to this. If you don't want to be here, I don't want you here. Same with Dwight last year and this past off season. I didn't want him here if he wanted to be in Brooklyn. So if you don't want to play with this team, man up and ask for a trade. I'll won't shed a tear. If you want to make it work, quit talking to the media and work on your defense.

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Pau shouldn't b traded at all, fits the Lakers much better than D12. It's obvious Antoni is here for a couple years, Pau fits better in this system a stretch 5 if you will.

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mhf94
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Shepherd wrote:

Ah yes the old twin towers theory. Well it didn't work when AB was in LA either. Because Pau isn't really a 4, he's not athletic of strong enough. He's a natural 5, which he admits to himself. So finding room in the post for him and a center has not been a successful experiment. As much as it makes everyone salivate at the prospect. Waste of time. Better he come off the bench as their anchor, as I said 2 seasons ago. If Pau is still the best PF is the NBA then why is he being outplayed by Clark? Why can he stop no one on D?

Duncan also plays mostly at the 5 nowadays and he played there a lot throughtout his career, yet the twin towers, with him and Robinson worked perfectly. Why is that?

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mhf94 wrote:
Shepherd wrote:

Ah yes the old twin towers theory. Well it didn't work when AB was in LA either. Because Pau isn't really a 4, he's not athletic of strong enough. He's a natural 5, which he admits to himself. So finding room in the post for him and a center has not been a successful experiment. As much as it makes everyone salivate at the prospect. Waste of time. Better he come off the bench as their anchor, as I said 2 seasons ago. If Pau is still the best PF is the NBA then why is he being outplayed by Clark? Why can he stop no one on D?

Duncan also plays mostly at the 5 nowadays and he played there a lot throughtout his career, yet the twin towers, with him and Robinson worked perfectly. Why is that?

Simple answer... THE COACH!!!!

SourceCode
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lakernet79 wrote:
Shepherd wrote:
je389 wrote:

Pau wants Antoni gone. He will be traded if Antoni is the coach going forward. It's a shame though. Pau and Dwight together is a blessing that not a lot of people are appreciating at this point. The best offensive big man backed by the best defensive big man is a normal coaches dream. The FO messed up big time by not bringing back PJ, or any other coach that was available.

Ah yes the old twin towers theory. Well it didn't work when AB was in LA either. Because Pau isn't really a 4, he's not athletic of strong enough. He's a natural 5, which he admits to himself. So finding room in the post for him and a center has not been a successful experiment. As much as it makes everyone salivate at the prospect. Waste of time. Better he come off the bench as their anchor, as I said 2 seasons ago. If Pau is still the best PF is the NBA then why is he being outplayed by Clark? Why can he stop no one on D?

Just quoting you because your post reminded me of this.

When Bynum went down a few years ago Pau was forced to play C. He did not like it at all, he complained that he took a beating got worn down by playing all these other centers that were bigger than him and he wanted back to his natural 4 spot. Now he wants the 5 spot back? Seriously Pau can you just stop complaining? You just can't have it both ways.

What really bothers me about Pau this year is the fact that each one of our star players has changed something about their game to try to make this work. Kobe has become a facilitator, Nash plays without the ball at times, Dwight get less touches. The only thing I have heard them complain about is the team losing. Sure Pau is being brought out away from the basket a little, but he still gets post touches. And his complaint is that HIS role is changing. Wake up Pau, you're not the only one on this team that has been asked to change...you're just the only one complaining so loud about it.

to add a little to this; not only have nash, kobe, and dwight made adjustments, d'antoni has as well; he has slowed the pace down more and goes to the post more; he also have limited kobe's minutes. hell, even metta came off the bench, even though that's not necessarily what he wanted, but he did it if that means, the team becomes better. what about jamison getting DNP for the 1st time in his career? the list goes on.

in order to be successful, you have to make the proper adjustment(s), and the players have to be willing to make those adjustment(s). if it's not working, than they have to try some thing else, but if it is, than why try and fix some thing that isn't broke (at the moment)?

I understand if pau was the sole player that was forced to make an adjustment, but no, everybody has, and i'm glad he said he wasn't going to allow it to effect his game, but he needs to stop complaining, because that only adds friction that at this point, the lakers really don't need.

magic42157
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My guess is Pau is here the rest of the season. The minute we resign Dwight, Pau will be gone. If we don't resign Dwight, he will stay for 1 more year.


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