Time to get back to the basics. Time for Bernie Ball

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PurpleKnight
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I don't know about you. But coach D'Antoni hasn't done a great job in my eyes. He's trying to make The Lakers into something they are not. A high octane scoring machine. And it's not working. Remember when he promised Mitch Kupchak and us Laker fans 110-115 points per game easily? Well, It's not happening. His words were "if we are not scoring 110-115 points per game, we need to talk"......So guess what? I'm talking!!! Princeton?......... Triangle?.......... Run & Gun?..... Brown?........ Bernie?...... Phil?. ......D'Antoni? Not one system. Nor any coach has worked so far for The Lakers. except one............. Bernie Bickerstaff!!! Maybe we should have given Bernie a chance... I know he's not the most popular choice. I know he doesn't have a household name. But guess what? .......His style of coaching was working for The Lakers. And that's ALL that matters. ......results. PERIOD. I know he doesn't have the resume of a Phil Jackson per se. But in his defense he has never had such a talented team as The Lakers before neither. Just give me W's. And thats what Bernie did. He won! The Lakers were 4-1 under Bernie. As compared to 1-12 under Brown (incl. preseason) And now we are 3-5 under D'Antoni Things were running their smoothest under Bernie also. We were averaging 103.8 ppg while giving up only 92.2 ppg to opponents (under D'Antoni we're averaging 101.5 ppg & we're giving up 100.3 ppg) (under Brown we were averaging 97.2 ppg & were giving up 98.8 ppg) The Lakers were giving up 8+ points per game less under Bernie. And actually scored more points per game inspite of D'Antoni being an offensive genius :roll: And that is where Bernie comes in. "NOBODY BICKERS- with the -STAFF"!!! Pau Gasol was playing his best stretch in the season scoring 18+ points when Bernie was coaching and the Lakers were winning by double digits. Not....

R.M.P
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Remember why they fired Brown when they did, they were coming up on a not to tough stretch of games they felt Brown could win so instead of giving him that chance and looking like he was getting things under control they canned him and let Bernie coach that fairly easy stretch. Also Bernie himself said he didnt do to much coaching he said he just let them play and while that may win games it wont win a championship, so were just going to have to ride out the system thats in place and hope for the best. It'll get better once our team is healthy its just hurting at the moment.

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R.M.P wrote:
Remember why they fired Brown when they did, they were coming up on a not to tough stretch of games they felt Brown could win so instead of giving him that chance and looking like he was getting things under control they canned him and let Bernie coach that fairly easy stretch. Also Bernie himself said he didnt do to much coaching he said he just let them play and while that may win games it wont win a championship, so were just going to have to ride out the system thats in place and hope for the best. It'll get better once our team is healthy its just hurting at the moment.

I agree with this post. It was only 5 games that bernie coached, they were basically playing pickup ball, which won't win championships, and it was an easy stretch of games for Bernie. Also, Bernie lost the only game against really good competition, which was the Spurs game. I'm not really sure that this team would have looked much better under Bernie if he had remained the coach over the last 8 games instead of D'Antoni.

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I can agree with your sentiments PK; although, we don't know what would've happened keeping bernie as head coach, but going by his stench as a head coach, you're spot on. I loved the philosophy "keep it simple and go out and play the way you know how to." this team doesn't necessarily need a system implemented, they just need a coach to minute manage, say what they are doing wrong, what they need to do to improve, adjusting too.. this is a group of veterans. bernie didn't necessarily aim for a particular thing, like not 3's, not running and gunning, not do this and do that, not "this player doesn't fit because of the system;" it was go out and win the way you know how to, if I put you in, do your job, win. what bernie did was bring the enjoyment back with the lakers and you could see it within their play. but again, you never know how he would have effected the lakers with that simple philosophy later on down the road. I do think that d'antoni is good for the job, although, he's showing flaws within his coaching that has been detrimental to the team. -not adjusting. -not minute managing. -defense (even though that's partly has to do with the players effort, communication). -solely focusing on nash with hopes he'll be the savior when you need to worry about winning even without nash. -not keeping a defined rotation especially one that worked. -holding a grudge towards a player, namely jordan hill. I do see this team improving under d'antoni because I think he is right for this team, or atleast could be right for the team, but he has some improving to do. but for one, the team has to buy in what he is selling. they have to play team ball,....

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Yeah SC, It's quite possible that Bernie could suck just as bad as D'Antoni has so far. But I give him credit. He showed us results. And I don't care who the competition was. We were winning. And last i checked Bernie's team blewout Sacramento. While D'Antoni got blownout by the same Sacramento team recently. Is it just coincidence that Kobe, Gasol & Dwight played their most efficient ball during Bernie's time? Kobe was messing around & getting a triple-double. Gasol was flowing & actually hitting his open shots & Dwight was fitting in just liked we imagined he would by scoring easy ally-oop dunks & baskets.

But in saying that I must agree. The Lakers will ride this horse to the grave (season's end). There's already been too much embarrassment by the front office this year.

Mike D does need to be given a chance. His system requires and is predicated upon having a proper point guard which we just don't have at the moment. I now see the problem he had in NYC, Duhon just doesn't cut it and 'Melo needing to handle the ball and creates his own shot, it killed their chances.

He just looked foolish by guaranteeing that "The Lakers would be averaging 110-115 points per game. And if not they need to talk".

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lakeshowsd wrote:
R.M.P wrote:
Remember why they fired Brown when they did, they were coming up on a not to tough stretch of games they felt Brown could win so instead of giving him that chance and looking like he was getting things under control they canned him and let Bernie coach that fairly easy stretch. Also Bernie himself said he didnt do to much coaching he said he just let them play and while that may win games it wont win a championship, so were just going to have to ride out the system thats in place and hope for the best. It'll get better once our team is healthy its just hurting at the moment.

I agree with this post. It was only 5 games that bernie coached, they were basically playing pickup ball, which won't win championships, and it was an easy stretch of games for Bernie. Also, Bernie lost the only game against really good competition, which was the Spurs game. I'm not really sure that this team would have looked much better under Bernie if he had remained the coach over the last 8 games instead of D'Antoni.

Well, they blew that Spurs game. I can't remember the player who decided to try to cheat off Green momentarily and the Spurs exploited it for a three. Maybe someone can remind us of the player. Maybe I'll pm Axle or NBAtruthwriter to see if they know.

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PurpleKnight wrote:

He just looked foolish by guaranteeing that "The Lakers would be averaging 110-115 points per game. And if not they need to talk".

Actually he said if that doesn't happen WHEN steve comes back then we need to talk...

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I agree with this and have been saying similar notions elsewhere.

Bernie's presence was not about BIG coaching, rather a straightforward approach enabling the Lakers to fall into a natural groove.

D'Antoni is a theorist who is pulling them towards a way of playing that is unfamiliar and misfit. Theorists ultimately require that the application of their ideas be pure in order to affirm the theory. If the theory is incorrect in context, then what is happening to the Lakers occurs. Specifically, you can follow a different map to get to the intended destination, by why climb Mt. Everest to do so? IMO, everybody knows that D'Antoni is not a good fit for the Lakers, including I figure, D'antoni himself. He is apparently not willing to change his theories to help the team and he's a hothead who fights to be right right right. When the Coach and the team are at odds, then you are not a team.

The Lakers have no central organizing principle other than Kobe at this point and the virtue of Bernie is that he gently manages the best combination of that version of the Lakers without ego or imposition. I do feel that the team will perform quite well under Bernie if given the chance.


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