Kobe to Pau: you are out of shape and lazy admit it

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ralppcobarde
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so my earlier post became true: the bird who has lost its wings. An intelligence without an ambition is like a bird who cant fly. Im describing this same as Gasol. this what Kobe said to Gasol: Put your big-boy pants on. Just adjust. Just adjust. You can't whine about it. You can't complain about it. ” -- Kobe Bryant on Pau Gasol's struggles what does this mean? does Pau really lost it? his dedication to the game, going to gym. Im still asking this ten times onto my mind but do you guys remember when Pau Gasol will work on the gym in summer? haven't heard but i heard Kobe does,Howard does, and obviously MWP. the guy has tendinitis and im pretty sure when you are out of shape you can get those kind of problems just ask MWP when he had tendinitis on his feet, he said it was result of being out of shape and not working hard enough.... does it mean, it could also have the same reason with Pau?.... into the Pau's game did you guys see how pathetic this guy effort especially on the defensive end? OMG. when he entered the game he would let anyone score including nikola Vucevic? wtf? Josh Mcroberts..... he missed chippies that he would be money 4 years ago... but seems to me he lost it. Pau has got to make some adjustments, obviously, to his game," Bryant said. "He might not be posting up as much as he likes, but he just has to adjust. "The reality is, I've adjusted, I've never run this many screen-rolls in my entire career. But, I've worked on it. I've worked on handling the ball. I've worked on coming off of screens and making plays. I'm used to being in the post much, much more but you have to adjust. "You....

birna
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I hope the guy receives a better role in the rotation once Nash gets back. It's sad to admit that he's not the player he used to be but dang it'd be even more sad to see him go; his heart is with the Lakers, you can tell btw he talks about the franchise and his teammates. When the CP3 trade didn't go through he didn't complain like Odom did and request a trade; instead, he expressed relief and tried to put the rumors aside while giving the Lakers his best effort.

ralppcobarde
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birna wrote:
I hope the guy receives a better role in the rotation once Nash gets back. It's sad to admit that he's not the player he used to be but dang it'd be even more sad to see him go; his heart is with the Lakers, you can tell btw he talks about the franchise and his teammates. When the CP3 trade didn't go through he didn't complain like Odom did and request a trade; instead, he expressed relief and tried to put the rumors aside while giving the Lakers his best effort.

agreed. but all players will not always stick on one team every player does. i think Kobe,Duncan,Dirk and Pierce who hasnt left yet. greatness will always have an ending, its just sad Pau is one of those guys who were affected by aging and deteriorating skills that truthfully have doubts that he has a share of the blame also. if he could have work his body more, his conditioning and his dedication to the game,effort and giving your heart into the basketball, it would have a different result, hardwork most definitely pays off often.

NBAtruthwriter
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Gotta understand Kobe's no excuses approach...

KBLO-24_7
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What's said is simple to me.

Kobe isn't perfect, he isn't a passer by nature. Hes ran more pick and rolls this year and less isos and post ups than he has the past decade percentage wise. It's a culture shock for him as well. The thing is he knows he has to. He has to start at SG, be the primary PG that gets everyone off, and act as the backup SF to Ron all while playing the most minutes on the team right now under Dantoni.mhe doesn't whine, he doesn't even have to like it, but he does his damn job to the best of his ability over sulking because that's what he was taught. Heck this summer after the Olympics he got his hands treated and went to catch and shoot work every day in the gym to maximize Nash, or so he thought.

Pau has spent more time qualifying why he isn't playing well to the press than focusing on doing what the team needs. He spends more time talking about not getting pot ups, then when he gets them he doesn't do anything with them besides get blocked or play hot potato. He spends so much time saying we have to defend, yet doesn't hold himself accountable or view tapes to see guys put him in pnr to exploit him. And he offered up tendinitis as an excuse, but as Tex once said, if you step on that court, sick or hurt, you're accountable and expected to perform. So what he has no lift? He's supposed to be so fundamentally sound, behind Tim in that ndepartment was what was being said at one point when he first came and Kobe elevated his stature, but he can't make a damn shot, he can't even bank in set shots, which is why he is shooting 22% from 3-9ft and 21% from 10-15ft mostly open.

ralppcobarde
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What's said is simple to me.

Kobe isn't perfect, he isn't a passer by nature. Hes ran more pick and rolls this year and less isos and post ups than he has the past decade percentage wise. It's a culture shock for him as well. The thing is he knows he has to. He has to start at SG, be the primary PG that gets everyone off, and act as the backup SF to Ron all while playing the most minutes on the team right now under Dantoni.mhe doesn't whine, he doesn't even have to like it, but he does his damn job to the best of his ability over sulking because that's what he was taught. Heck this summer after the Olympics he got his hands treated and went to catch and shoot work every day in the gym to maximize Nash, or so he thought.

Pau has spent more time qualifying why he isn't playing well to the press than focusing on doing what the team needs. He spends more time talking about not getting pot ups, then when he gets them he doesn't do anything with them besides get blocked or play hot potato. He spends so much time saying we have to defend, yet doesn't hold himself accountable or view tapes to see guys put him in pnr to exploit him. And he offered up tendinitis as an excuse, but as Tex once said, if you step on that court, sick or hurt, you're accountable and expected to perform. So what he has no lift? He's supposed to be so fundamentally sound, behind Tim in that ndepartment was what was being said at one point when he first came and Kobe elevated his stature, but he can't make a damn shot, he can't even bank in set shots, which is why he is shooting 22% from 3-9ft and 21% from 10-15ft mostly open.

BINGO! this post says it all.... Pau is done.... repped!

jrdogg29
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when Pau goes pleassse take D'Antoni back to Europe wit ya

AChad92
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I can't wait for Nash to get back. That will show us if we need to desperately make moves or we can go with what we got. I know you guys say Nash isn't the savior and this and that but he is a big part of the offense and will take a load off of Kobe and help set up everyone else offensively. He may not be the player he once was, but he's still knows this offense better than anyone else and it can really help.

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As a side note, after seeing Pau not play well this year, I just realized how much freaking foresight Mitch has. He was going to be trading both Odom and Gasol at the top of their trade value for a CP3. Since the trade, both of them have declined significantly.

Currently, Lamar is averaging 2 points per game and Pau is under 13 points per game.

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I hope the guy receives a better role in the rotation once Nash gets back. It's sad to admit that he's not the player he used to be but dang it'd be even more sad to see him go; his heart is with the Lakers, you can tell btw he talks about the franchise and his teammates. When the CP3 trade didn't go through he didn't complain like Odom did and request a trade; instead, he expressed relief and tried to put the rumors aside while giving the Lakers his best effort.

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Pau has come to the end of the road and this shouldn't be surprise, It's just reality and part of the game. In every sport your legs are the first to decline. Just the nature of the beast. We got what we needed out of Pau and I'm personally greatful. Now It's time to throw up the deuces and move n from Pau.

trialsNtribulations
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^^^^^^^Singing Boyz II Men," End of the Road, and I can't let go !!! lol

maraud
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Kobe cannot will this team to win, they must want to win. Also not all players can play with injury like Kobe can. Others have a pulse and living tissue, while Kobe is made of steel, and not an Earthling.

BaadMaster
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The problem: Pau is done. Over. Best years behind him. He cannot shoot or hold onto the ball. His last great game came with Spain last summer but he has sucked in the NBA for the last couple of years.

Thanks Pau for your great three great years with the Lakers. Time to be gone and play out your last years like MJ with a non contender.

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After Kobe stuck his neck out for Pau last Summer, Pau's performance this season is a real kick in the nuts. Kobe promoted Pau and said that as long as Kobe was a Laker, Pau would be a Laker too. He was trying to make Pau feel good about coming back for this season, and he was reinforcing his feelings to those guys in the Front Office. Then, Pau returned, and he just can't cut the mustard. Kind of leaves mustard on Kobe's face, doesn't it?

Pau would be pretty good - maybe excellent - with a low post half court offense. Only him in the post, and everyone on the team feeding him all night long. That's what he needs right now. But we don't have that to offer him. It would be a blessing for Pau to get traded to a team with the Triangle, or something close to it. But if he has to run all night, forget it.

lakerfan8
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the good - Pau's passing ability. He is getting people great looks all night long and his unselfishness allows for a broad stat sheet, rebounds passing scoring

the bad- Pau is so unselfish that he at times passes up an open 10 footer for someone else's contested 3 pointer.

the ugly- Pau gets pushed around on both ends of the floor because he doesn't improve his contact sports moves. He's lazy and finesse and it gets him burned a lot because the rap sheet is out.

Dantoni needs to recognize that Pau is a second unit guy but should be the closer if they hack a howard. I don't want Pau traded yet, because of his versatility, but I do want a fire under his a**.

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Great points Lakerfan8

Because he will be hard to get value for, maybe we do need to keep Pau. But Antoni needs to sit him down and forcefully tell him:

  1. Pau - No more underhand shots a foot from the rim - EVER! Only slams from above with both hands. If I see you do one underhanded again, it will cost you something important to you (or you ride the pine for the rest of the night, without question or comment.);

  2. When in doubt, take the ball to the hoop. Don't pass to the covered guy, take it to the rim EVERY TIME! and FINISH HARD! (It's ok for you to grunt if it makes you feel better);

  3. Jump towards rebounds. That is a compound instruction; Jump means that I can see daylight under your Fing feet; and Rebounds means that you use energy to go towards the ball, not just stand there and wait for it to come to you;

  4. Be confident, and take the shot. Make a commitment to follow up on that shot to rebound and slam it home if you miss; and finally

  5. Act like you give a crap about the outcome of the game. Not just making faces, but MOVE YOUR CULO a******!!!

Somebody needs to have this conversation with Pau, and tell him either he internalizes these instructions and becomes a monster, or sit your a$$ down and get ready to be traded to Siberia.

GhostNugget
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Maybe the best thing that could happen is for Pau to sit and get that tendenitis thing fixed and just be healthy.

We have Jamison to start who is playing great and then Jordan Hill to back him up.

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Maybe the best thing that could happen is for Pau to sit and get that tendenitis thing fixed and just be healthy.

We have Jamison to start who is playing great and then Jordan Hill to back him up.

So Jordan hill would provide the same amount of points Jamison would off the bench?

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sevankb24 wrote:
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Maybe the best thing that could happen is for Pau to sit and get that tendenitis thing fixed and just be healthy.

We have Jamison to start who is playing great and then Jordan Hill to back him up.

So Jordan hill would provide the same amount of points Jamison would off the bench?

Of course not. They are two different players.

lakers3peat
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i think its great for hill to be starter with pau coming off the bench. hill can get his minutes and not that lazy to get some good D while pau and jamison plus meeks will come off the bench giving the starters huge rest while still can maintain the lead or double it up!

Shaq
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Kobe never said something close to this, don't create scenarios from your mind

enjoythegame2
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Big Baby's block of Pau's dunk attempt pretty much sums up the Spaniards season thus far.....Either Pau is seriously hurt or serious depressed either way it is scary to think that his poor play almost makes a Bargnani trade look attractive.....perhaps he should rest for a week if his knees are hurting him that bad....

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I think it is the latter......it looks more like a confidence issue or the lack of it

maraud
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First of all Kobe should have not said anything in public. This is a locker room talk. This can only cause friction and be detrimental to the chemistry of the team. This is embarrassing for a franchise with a giant basketball history.

rnr
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Remember last year I think it was in the Playoffs when Pau past up a critical Shot in the Game to pass the ball and the clock ran out..

Thats not the Pau of old,,

LakerDymes
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What would happen if we ask Kobe to just be a spot up shooter? I'm sure he would whine and pout as well. Gasol has pride just like any other player. He knows that on any other team he's capable of being the main post player.

Pau isn't dirk. He's not even bonner. He can't spread the floor like a true shooting big man can. And that's why hes not living up to his contract.

If we trade pau I can already see all the people crying and wanting him back after he starts averaging 20 & 10 again. Pau is better in the post and its up to dantoni to find a way to use him. Whether he brings him off the bench or starts playing him closer to the basket it on dantoni to make adjustments imo

trialsNtribulations
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Positive energy.....woosah!!!!!!!!!

go Lakers!

WatchTheSkyFall24
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Boy, these comments really worked out well when he said them to Shaq.............

maraud
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WatchTheSkyFall24 wrote:
Boy, these comments really worked out well when he said them to Shaq.............

That was because Shaq was borderline 400 lbs and he had to be rolled up the floor to get him on defense.

SourceCode
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it's essential to keep your body in shape, especially engaging in such a sport as this. being a athlete, a paid athlete at that, you should understand that and take batter care of your body, and do what is required of you as an athlete that gets paid big bucks, don't complain, just do it. unless of course, it goes against your well being.

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I really believe what has hurt Pau is that he never had any vacation to recuperate from the wear and tear of playing in the nba and then he goes to play for his country. He is just worn out. The man is over thirty and he just should not do that. Specially since he is a big tall seven footer.

I think Pau with plenty of rest he could come back about the same time Nash comes back and maybe just maybe he would be good working with Nash on the PR.

I hope anyways, I like Pau. He is a good person.

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"I think Pau with plenty of rest he could come back about the same time Nash comes back and maybe just maybe he would be good working with Nash on the PR..." It's not a "rest" issue, being on the Lakers for Pau is just a job to him, and it shows. If Pau lived with 1/2 of the injuries that Kobe plays through every night, he'd be rolling around in the fetal position most of the time. It's a lot easier to blame everybody else, as you grab another beer or 2 and sit down on your $20k leather couch in your $5 Million dollar home, with your supermodel looking girlfriend, instead of putting the extra time at the gym, or in on your shot, or staying in game shape. Everybody forgets that 3 years ago, Pau bailed on Phil his last year. Don't you remember Phil pushing on Pau's chest on fhe sidelines of games, trying to get him motivated? I do, about 30 times, Phil finally just gave up. In fact, I think Pau was a BIG part of Phil hanging it up like he did. Pau's second championship year was the last time Pau really tried, or really cared. Once he had that big contract locked and loaded, he started enjoying the good times a little too much. Did you watch Pau playing for his Olympic team this summer, he was a man among boys, he was a Beast. A month later in camp for the Lakers, he couldn't stop a High School center from throwing down on him and what was worst, he just didn't care. The guy's finished as an elite player and when we trade him to somebody else, you watch him flip the switch, gain 50lbs, and turn into a 4 and....

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"Pau isn't dirk. He's not even bonner. He can't spread the floor like a true shooting big man can. And that's why hes not living up to his contract..."

Have you watched him play this year? Seriously, Roberts spanked him like a little child, he's a screen door that never closes on defense. Add to that his lazer 12 footer at around 25% from the floor in crunch situations, and the attitude that it's everybody elses problem, insert excuse here.

The guy's lazy, he doesn't care anymore, and if Phil Jackson gave up on him (which he did 3 years ago) with 3 more years of wear and tear he isn't magically going to be 27 and motivated again. Stick a fork in Pau, he's done. Really done.

Right now Pau has almost no trade value, even Mitch is going to have to use major mojo to get anybody to take him, with us eating part of his contract.

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I hope that throught the team's perfomances in these games Gasol is missing those fans wanting his head and shouting for him to be traded understood that it is not Pau the problem neither he is ''out of shape'' and ''lazy''

Axle
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Pau is a good player except he is not being used properly. Pau should not be a starter, he needs to come off the bench and play center with the bench group. Pau is effective when he plays the post. We do not need Pau shooting three's that is what we have shooting guards for. Kobe, Meeks, Duhan and even Jamieson will take care of the perimeter shooting. We need Pau, Howard and Hill to stay around the painted area.

We need a assistant coach that specializes on defense. I think if we can do this, the Lakers can turn it around.

Axle
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Just read where coach D'Antoni will use Pau with the starting lineup and refuses to start him with the second unit.


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