Mike Brown acts like Kobe's the coach. (P. 3)

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LakerDerek
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The proof you provide are centers that played in the old NBA in the old league where you could hand check guards ???? Come on, try harder. Why don't you go look at the NBA champions from the 1980`s and find me the dominant center that a team was built around. Bulls ? Absolutely not. Pistons ? Center by committee. Lakers ? Kareem was 40 years old and it was Magic's team. Rockets ? Twin towers. The teams had their centers are very valuable assets that complimented the team. The surrounding players were as important or they didn't win. Now, once again, in THIS NBA you don't build around a center in a guard driven league. The present game is perimeter scoring. Big centers are contributors, not what you build a team around. Do you want Dwight as the focal point of the team ? So your best player is going to sit on the bench at the end of the 4th because he can't hit foul shots ? Terrible. Dwight would work on this team because of Pau Gasol at PF and his skill set and Kobe creating shots and Sessions running an offense and that's how a team works. You don't have the focal point being the center position. It has become a complimentary position in the NBA. Andrew will be successful as long as he has better parts around him and that's it. o perimeter game, no success. Next, you never heard ANYONE with any merit say that Bynum has the best hands on the team and you NEVER heard he has the best feet. That is an absolute joke. Answer this.....have you even played basketball ? Do you know what good feet and good hands are in basketball ? Andrew may have the biggest hands but he doesn't....

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LakerDerek wrote:
The proof you provide are centers that played in the old NBA in the old league where you could hand check guards ???? Come on, try harder. Why don't you go look at the NBA champions from the 1980`s and find me the dominant center that a team was built around. Bulls ? Absolutely not. Pistons ? Center by committee. Lakers ? Kareem was 40 years old and it was Magic's team. Rockets ? Twin towers. The teams had their centers are very valuable assets that complimented the team. The surrounding players were as important or they didn't win.

Robinson/Duncan and Shaq/Kobe.

Now your ignorance is proven wrong.

LakerDerek
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Ameth, instead of a little catch phrase, please explain

TheMagicontinues
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LakerDerek wrote:
Also, his footwork is not good. .

Are you kidding? I hope so, Bynums footwork is being praised by some of the most respected players/coaches/commentators in the game. He's improved tremendously since a rookie, and is now an all star Center. What a silly comment. roll

His hands are also above average to excellent, do you see the lobs he dunks? Did you see the one last night where he was under the basket and reached back and caught it in mid air, and dunked it all in one motion? You don't do that with bad hands.

I doubt you've ever played the game, coached the game, or evaluated talent at all. roll

LakerDerek
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No his footwork is not being praised. They are saying it is improving. There is a HUGE difference between good footwork and improved footwork. I played center and watch it from that aspect. You have him crossing his feet in the post and he has times where he doesn't keep himself centered. That is not good footwork. It is better than when he was 17 and he is working on it but it is not good. Watch Tim Duncan's footwork. Watch Pau gasol. Watch the players that are fundamentally sound with their feet and don't listen to half analysis by people who are comparing his present work to his past. Self analysis is better than listening to ESPN call him the greatest in the world

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No his footwork is not being praised.

You don't ave 18 PPG as a post player where all you really ever do is do post moves without good footwork. And his footwork is being praised by many, do you even watch the games? Almost every commentator has said this, Magic Johnson has this, His footwork is some of the best in the league for a true center. wow. roll

And the "no hands" comment? roll You obviously watch maybe a couple games a year with these silly comments.

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don't listen to half analysis by people

Yea, we should listent to you, a guy from a blog. >LOL lol

LakerDerek
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Ok, tell me about his footwork. Don't let Magic Johnson make your argument, you tell me specifics about his footwork. While you're at it, tell me about his hands. I know what i`m looking at and I don't need the ESPN staff to tell me my points. Here's your chance to show your analysis

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Don't let Magic Johnson make your argument,

lol Don't let a hall of famer make my arguement? I should take the word from a guy on the internet who has no clue about the game? LOL roll

Andrew is an All Star Center in the NBA, to say an All Star Center ave 18 and 13 has bad hands and footwork is stupidity. Period. roll

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dp

LakerDerek
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Alright MagicContinues, since I didn't receive an answer yet I`ll give you some help. Tell me how Andrew goes from back to the basket to face up. How is his pivot ? How does he slide ? How hard is his drop step and is he centered when he does it. And for the hands....how is he in traffic ? How is his touch. What is his range. Tips towards the basket ? Can he aim or direct the tips ? Does he have an adequate dribble ? While you are on Google looking for answers see if you can find those answers about Andrew

LakerDerek
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I played college basketball magicContinues....2 years. I helped coach kids. I refereed at times to help out. Tell me more about how I don't know the game and while you're at it, tell me all about your career and where you picked up your vast knowledge of the game. Maybe you should just have Magic come on and do all that for you. Seems he's all you have

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Sorry in advance for making you look the fool... but here goes... Andrew has a good drop step, he has a good face up move and then can go left or right, or shoot a short jumper, He has a good/great spin move (which is footwork) that get's him lots of lob passes (where his good/great hands come in to play) He has a great up and under move to go to the other side of the rim, also a sign of good footwork. He can spin either left or right, most centers can't do this, where....

LakerDerek
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Wow, i hope Magic repeating my points wasn't too technical for everyone. I hope everyone understood magic repeating everything. Magic is good at one thing and that's just saying phrases and not really saying anything. Oh, Andrew has a good drop step and can turn left or right etc etc etc. Wow, that is really GREAT analysis. You said a whole post without really saying anything. It's amazing how someone like Magic can watch the halftime show and bases his whole analysis on ESPN hyperbole and exaggeration. Anything technical in Magic's answer ? Nope, just what he's told. You have....

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ownage....

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I guess you'd have to know what a drop step, spin move, up and under is to understand my point, those who do, know what I'm talking about is true, Andrew has all those post moves, and is very good at them. To say otherwise is pure stupidity.

LakerDerek
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You don't know enough about basketball to understand how limited you are.

LakerDerek
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Oh, where did you say you played Magic ? I didn't see it in your last responses

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LakerDerek wrote:
Oh, Andrew has a good drop step and can turn left or right etc etc etc. Wow, that is really GREAT analysis.

What else is there to say? It's obvious you don't watch the games to know that he has all the things I mentioned, so me saying it is all I can do. roll

LakerDerek
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You just repeat what ESPN tells you...programmed little Magic. How about those credentials Magic ? How many times do I have to keep asking you ?

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I'm still laughing that an All Star Center averaging 22 and 13 since the all star break, has bad hands and poor footwork. LOL Too funny. I can't believe I'm having this discussion with an obvious 12 year old child who's never played the game, so I'm done.

LakerDerek
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People who play basketball understand what "bad hands and bad feet " means and you obviously don't. I have called you out for your credentials and you keep avoiding it like the plague. I know all you do is watch tv and go right to the internet because you have told me nothing. No analysis on your own. You're done because you lied about Andrews abilities and you can't analyze anything on your own. You can't tell me anything about center play because 1. you have never done it 2. you have never coached it. Anyone can try to repeat what they hear and that's all you are trying to do. You can't and won't say where you played because XBOX is not actual playing. I would leave too if I were you. Your responses are embarrassing and I know damn well Im talking to someone who has never played anything. Ill go to the gym tomorrow and we will all laugh at the likes of you....XBOX champion who thinks the GM mode means he knows the game. Good luck with your XBOX career

mhf94
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This is turning out to be one of the most amusing discussions on ltb (at least since I've joined). LakerDerek makes SUCH good, immaculate points. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I couldn't say that without cracking up!!!!!!! Ahahahah He keeps saying not to base your arguments on guys who have played and/or dealt with basketball throughout their life like Magic or Shaq, but instead learn from him who played college basketball for 2 years and I'm not even going to bother pointing out the other stuff... I'm sorry TheMagicontinues, but you're getting you're a** kicked... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH JK

LakerDerek
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How about you just tell us your great Xbox trades and we can judge your basketball knowledge on that Magic ? Or maybe you can have someone who knows basketball come in and help you. Either way, don't offer any more basketball analysis...some people might actually think you are serious

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mhf94 wrote:
This is turning out to be one of the most amusing discussions on ltb (at least since I've joined). LakerDerek makes SUCH good, immaculate points. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I couldn't say that without cracking up!!!!!!! Ahahahah He keeps saying not to base your arguments on guys who have played and/or dealt with basketball throughout their life like Magic or Shaq, but instead learn from him who played college basketball for 2 years and I'm not even going to bother pointing out the other stuff... I'm sorry TheMagicontinues, but you're getting you're a** kicked... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH JK

lol it is comical.... He's saying don't go by what Magic or Kareem or Shaq say, go by what I (derek) say, you know, a no nothing internet blogger that has played 2 years..... lol lol wave

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Tell us Derek, where would you rank Andrew on a list of current NBA centers?

LakerDerek
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I have no respect for either of your comments. Neither of you have ever played anything and don't know anything. Tell me what either of you have done in basketball.....ANYTHING

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TheMagicontinues wrote:
Tell us Derek, where would you rank Andrew on a list of current NBA centers?

Exactly and also tell us which centers have better hands and feet than Bynum? Mbenga?

LakerDerek
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What does ranking have to do with his hands or footwork ?????????? Are you both really that stupid ?????? Do you not understand what bad hands and footwork means in the concept of the NBA ?????

LakerDerek
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Let's go Magic...answer where you played. You too mhf94...tell me why I should respect anything either of you have to say.

LakerDerek
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If you're going to present hyperbole as FACT I want to see if you have the ability to analyze and interpret what you hear. Again, where did you play Magic ? mhf94 ?

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LakerDerek wrote:
I have no respect for either of your comments. Neither of you have ever played anything and don't know anything. Tell me what either of you have done in basketball.....ANYTHING

Then don't go by what we say, go by what Hall of Famers who know the game say. roll lol

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Let's go Magic...answer where you played. You too mhf94...tell me why I should respect anything either of you have to say.

I'll tell you straight, I've played basketball but I don't really have any experience besides just watching. Does it mean I know less about basketball than you? No. Why? Because I have a brain. Also tell me if you consider basketball experience so important to understanding it, why do you even think your opinion is relevant compared to the opinion of guys like Shaq or Magic? Unless you're also an nba player? Geez don't tell me you are?

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What does ranking have to do with his hands or footwork ???????

Because, you seem to be saying Andrew's not that good, when he's an all star Center with bad hands and no footwork, so begs the question, where do you rank him among others in his category???

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Let's go Magic...answer where you played. You too mhf94...tell me why I should respect anything either of you have to say.

Your avoiding the point with a straw man arguement, (google it) Don't listen to me then, listen to those who actually know the game and what they are saying about Andrew. roll

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come on LakerDerek I've answered your question, so please answer mine. Which centers are better than Bynum and which have better feet and hands?

LakerDerek
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mhf94, you're a joker. while you sit around playing your Xbox and eating chips, I played for years being coached and understanding how to set your feet on offense and defense and seeing how the game is played by a different perspective. You learn different aspects of the game when you play organized basketball. see, you don't even understand that concept. You don't even know what coaching does for your understanding of the game.

Shaq and Magic aren't coaches, they are analysts. They hype the game. If you just listen to their analysis you would think that leBron is the best player ever regardless of position. Their analysis is hyperbole. They are selling the league and trying to draw viewers for their shows. some analysis is good and some is terrible. Larry Brown just said that the Bobcats would win 50 games with Anthony Davis. That is so stupid it`'s laughable. that's hyperbole. You have to have serious analysis and nobody says that Drews footwork right now is really good. it needs work. It needs serious work. is hands are rough too. He needs for work handling the ball. If he had good feet and good hands he would be Pau gasol with more size. He would wander out past the foul line on a consistent basis. That's what good hands and feet are. Bad hands and feet doesn't mean he can't walk and catch, it means that it need serious work. Watch old Kareem footage...it's excellent work in the post. Watch Hakeem. Watch Robert Parrish "The Chief". They were all polished around the basket. Andrew is getting better but he is still learning. His feet have him out of position and have his center off. I don't say things just for the sake, I really am confident in my knowledge of the center position

LakerDerek
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...and Magic...I`ll just call you NeverPlayedAnythingMagic...... because if you did you would have said so by now. Another Xbox kid

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How did all this get started on this thread about Kobe and the coach? To add to everything, Drew's footwork is incredible and his hands are even better. He's the best center in the league in my opinion.

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LakerDerek wrote:
mhf94, you're a joker. while you sit around playing your Xbox and eating chips, I played for years being coached and understanding how to set your feet on offense and defense and seeing how the game is played by a different perspective. You learn different aspects of the game when you play organized basketball. see, you don't even understand that concept. You don't even know what coaching does for your understanding of the game.

Shaq and Magic aren't coaches, they are analysts. They hype the game. If you just listen to their analysis you would think that leBron is the best player ever regardless of position. Their analysis is hyperbole. They are selling the league and trying to draw viewers for their shows. some analysis is good and some is terrible. Larry Brown just said that the Bobcats would win 50 games with Anthony Davis. That is so stupid it`'s laughable. that's hyperbole. You have to have serious analysis and nobody says that Drews footwork right now is really good. it needs work. It needs serious work. is hands are rough too. He needs for work handling the ball. If he had good feet and good hands he would be Pau gasol with more size. He would wander out past the foul line on a consistent basis. That's what good hands and feet are. Bad hands and feet doesn't mean he can't walk and catch, it means that it need serious work. Watch old Kareem footage...it's excellent work in the post. Watch Hakeem. Watch Robert Parrish "The Chief". They were all polished around the basket. Andrew is getting better but he is still learning. His feet have him out of position and have his center off. I don't say things just for the sake, I really am confident in my knowledge of the center position

It sounds like you had a bad coach.

LakerDerek
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lakerdude, you don't know anything. You are just a waste of time. You never played either, did you ?

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lakerdude wrote:
How did all this get started on this thread about Kobe and the coach? To add to everything, Drew's footwork is incredible and his hands are even better. He's the best center in the league in my opinion.

It's one or two for sure. You are not the one or two best centers in the league and have bad hands and footwork. wave

To say otherwise is laughable.

That's why derek won't answer where he ranks him, because he know's he's one/two in the league, and to say a one/two ranked center has poor hands/footwork and is ave 18 and 13..... is laughable. roll

LakerDerek
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Ranking players is for Xbox kids and lakerDUDE...little kids analysis.

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I already know 94 has never played....has DUDE or Magic ever played ? Nope. How do I know ? terrible analysis. Easy as that

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Lakerdude I was thinking you'd never come. LOL this guy is just the biggest joke I've seen so far.

LakerDerek, you still haven't answered my question. Say who's avoiding questions? BTW all kind of basketball related people have complimented Drew's footwork, not just those silly silly Shaq and Magic guys. Those guys know nothing compared to you, obviously.

LakerDerek
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Why don't the three of you get together for a game of 21 then you can all say you at least played once. How about that ?

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lakerdude wrote:
LakerDerek wrote:
mhf94, you're a joker. while you sit around playing your Xbox and eating chips, I played for years being coached understand that concept. You don't even know what coaching does for your understanding of the game.

Shaq and Magic aren't coaches, they are analysts. They hype the game. If you just really good. it needs work. It needs serious work. is hands are rough too. He needs for work he is still learning. His feet have him out of position and have his center off. I don't say things just for the sake, I really am confident in my knowledge of the center position

It sounds like you had a bad coach.

LOL True, And Andrew's only 23 years old, watch when he hit's his prime, at 28 or so when most Centers do, he's going to be a beast down low with his post moves.

LakerDerek
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Is there a section for magic, DUDE and 94 so they can all post together ? An Xbox only group ?

LakerDerek
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"LOL True, And Andrew's only 23 years old, watch when he hit's his prime, at 28 or so when most Centers do, he's going to be a beast down low with his post moves."

There FINALLY !!!!! Stupid Magic has figured it out...he has not reached his potential YET because he still needs work on his footwork and hands. The first decent thing you have said so far. Finally, you have figured something out

LakerDerek
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Now if we can get DUDE and 94 to say something intelligent, we will be on our way. Please PLEASE have the next comment from either of them be somewhat enlightened.

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LakerDerek wrote:
Is there a section for magic, DUDE and 94 so they can all post together ? An Xbox only group ?

Please just stop dude, you're embarassing me. LOL. Sports is not rocket science. You have to be a rocket science or study it at least to understand and know about it. You don't have to be a basketball player or have a degree to understand it. You'll gather some extra knowledge obviously (although you're the exception to the rule) but still, not rocket science. But if you think it is than guys with more experience than you certainly understand more. And even guys who aren't players or coaches. And you still haven't answered... WHICH PLAYERS HAVE BETTER FEET AND HANDS????


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