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Ric,Any news about when Mitch Kupchak and Jim Buss might arise from their coma-like sleep, and decide this Laker team is going nowhere fast? And maybe MAKE A DEAL?

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Problem as I hear it is they are on slightly different pages. Mitch wants to hold onto Pau and see if they can package him with Bynum to get Dwight. Buss wants to move Pau now for help/depth and thereby also eliminate the chance that his pet project, Bynum, goes anywhere. That's the unofficial buzz.

Link: http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/01/20/conflicting.strategies.jim.buss. looking.move.gasol.now.depth.mitch.kupchak.wants


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Mitch will kill the Lakers if he trades both Pau and Bynum for Dwight


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wtf they need to do something!!!!!


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Mitch will kill the Lakers if he trades both Pau and Bynum for Dwight

I agree with you on that.


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hell flip a coin, but someody gotsta go in order for us to get what we so desperately need.....but dont just sit there n do nothin


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blndlfty01 wrote:
Mitch will kill the Lakers if he trades both Pau and Bynum for Dwight

Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, even if the Lakers traded both Pau and Drew's big contracts, Kobe makes so much [email protected] money that the team will still not have enough money to offer somebody like D-Will a max contract next summer. So yeah, trading Drew and Pau for Dwight would kill this team for at least the next 3 years. We might be able to contend for a title when Kobe is retired, Dwight is 28 or 29 years old and we rebuild around him.

That's the reason why the fans who want to trade Pau and Drew for Howard are ignorant... They assume just because we have Howard and Kobe, every superstar within 3000 miles will be willing to come to L.A. and win a championship. The problem is that Kobe and Howard will cost us over 50 million and after you pay the rest of the team, the Lakers can't afford to offer any kind of respectable contract to a D-Will, or any other star. Furthermore, with Drew and Pau sacrificed just for Howard, we also wouldn't have the trade pieces to make a move to get a star guard. We'd be stuck with old Kobe, Howard, and role-players for the next 3 years, which wouldn't be enough to seriously contend for a title.


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I just want to see a change.


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I respectfully disagree. Follow me....

Assuming Drew gets hurt, then you have only Pau. If you trade Pau and Drew for Dwight, you have Dwight, wh is younger and a better athltete than Pau. Plus you have a bonafide suoperstar to build with.

Jimbo just wants to keep Bynum and shed Pau's salary. I am getting sick of Jim. He should let Mitch do his job. I see Mitch quitting soon.

Thus Jim Ballcap will have expunged every trace of the Championsip Lakers except for Kobe,

That is my prediction.


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First of all no one will trade good solid youth for Pau, it's just not going to happen. Second Jerry Buss needs to bend Jim over his knee and whip some sense into this guy! Bynum is really good but he's no super-star. Think of the players who Lakers gave up to keep Bynum. They gave up Melo, they gave up CP3 (If Lakers would have offered Bynum for CP3 that trade would have gone through) and now it looks like they'll pass on Dwight, since Lakers cannot get Dwight they'll lose out on D-Will? That's 4 super-stars Lakers have passed up to keep Bynum? After 7 yrs in the league we have all seen what Bynum has to offer and it's not as good as what any of these 4 players bring to the table. I'm going to laugh when Bynum goes back home to the Knicks when his contracts up. he'll look around and see Lakers have nothing to build around (well Ebanks, Goudelock). Knick will offer him top pay and have Melo to play with. Not much of a decision right?


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Jimbo is a true idiot, its [email protected] shame this "thing" is the offspring of Dr. Buss.


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Jim Buss could do the unthinkable -- turn me into a Clippers fan. He will have to RUIN this franchise single-handdly for that to happen. But it is looking more and more like that.


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Keep the two and get a decent point guard. That's all you need for this team.


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BaadMaster wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Follow me....

Assuming Drew gets hurt, then you have only Pau. If you trade Pau and Drew for Dwight, you have Dwight, wh is younger and a better athltete than Pau. Plus you have a bonafide suoperstar to build with.

Jimbo just wants to keep Bynum and shed Pau's salary. I am getting sick of Jim. He should let Mitch do his job. I see Mitch quitting soon.

Thus Jim Ballcap will have expunged every trace of the Championsip Lakers except for Kobe,

That is my prediction.

Giving up Pau and Drew for Howard does not make sense. Either but not both especially when we really need a quality PG.


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idc if we trade pau + bynum for dwight, this season is short anyway we can rebuild from dwight & kobe next year, UNLESS WE get dwill and keep bynum


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Someone needs to pat Jim on the back for picking Bynum. Then let him know that's the only good decision he's made. Time to let go of the past and move forward. If Lakers dont land Dwight and D-Will follows Dwight and tells reporters he didn’t go to LA bc Dwight wasn’t there. And the Lakers under Bynum never win a championship, Lakers will hate Jim and Bynum. He'll get booed everytime he walks on the court. I mean look how Laker fans already feel towards the two. I have never rooted for a Laker to fail but I’m pretty close with Bynum.


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Depressing to discover that Kupchak wants to trade both Pau and Drew for Howard. Man, if that happens the Lakers almost certainly won't sniff a title for a long, long time.


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I used to believe in trading both our bigs for D12 but I changed my mind after seeing how Pau has played this season. I don't think it makes much sense because then we have no more trade chips to get Deron. Unless it's Mitch's plan to free up cap space to acquire him in FA.

But this is Ric Bucher reporting, how reliable could this actually be?


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If we trade Bynum and Pau (which I am against) we better be getting a lot more than Dwight in return.


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LOL Ric Bucher?

Move on folks. Nothing to see here.


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It amazes me how so many Laker fans think Deron Williams even WANTS to come to the Lakers. The Mavericks are unfortunately a far more realistic destination for Deron, as he is a Dallas native.

Deron's made it clear on more than 1 occasion how much he hates Kobe and the Lakers. Reminds me of when people were hoping Raja Bell would come here... that guy HATES Kobe and the Lakers and subsequently dismissed Kobe's efforts to bring him here.

The chief reason Dwight has even considered the Mavericks as a suitor is because Deron has in all likelihood expressed his interest to play there. If Dwight comes to LA, we're not getting Deron -- not only because we can't afford it, but because the Laker's desire for D-Will to be here is not reciprocated.


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LakeRobert wrote:
It amazes me how so many Laker fans think Deron Williams even WANTS to come to the Lakers. The Mavericks are unfortunately a far more realistic destination for Deron, as he is a Dallas native.

Deron's made it clear on more than 1 occasion how much he hates Kobe and the Lakers. Reminds me of when people were hoping Raja Bell would come here... that guy HATES Kobe and the Lakers and subsequently dismissed Kobe's efforts to bring him here.

The chief reason Dwight has even considered the Mavericks as a suitor is because Deron has in all likelihood expressed his interest to play there. If Dwight comes to LA, we're not getting Deron -- not only because we can't afford it, but because the Laker's desire for D-Will to be here is not reciprocated.

I guess you didn't read the title of another thread "D. Williams Has Short List, Includes Lakers."

I also read that article of Deron saying that he hates the Lakers but only because the Lakers kept beating the Jazz. Now he is losing with the Nets and is looking for a way out.


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Ha, no I clearly didn't. But I still think the Lakers are at the end of that list involving staying with the Nets, or being traded to the Knicks or Dallas.


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even tho he is a dallas native, D-will has been living in San diego 30mins-1hr away from LA.


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LakeRobert wrote:
Ha, no I clearly didn't. But I still think the Lakers are at the end of that list involving staying with the Nets, or being traded to the Knicks or Dallas.

Nets aren't going nowhere. Knicks aren't going to offer Melo or Amare.

Mav's don't have anything worth trading they could sign him in the summer as a free agent. The Nets are not going to let him walk they are going to want players. The Lakers need either a 3rd or 4th team to make this trade happen.


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IF Deron hates La so much and Kobe so much i wonder why La is now a possible destination. Can some one tell me why?


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well Mitch needs to get started because we ain't gonna make it with this current roster


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I think you ALL are missing Mitche's wording.

He said a PACKAGE deal.

If the Lakers traded both Pau and Bynum it would not be for Dwight Howard straight up. The money doesn't work.

I think Mitch is going to try and get a third or even fourth team involved.

The trade exception might just come in handy in a multi team, multi player trade.

Moving both Pau and Drew would not be bad if it means the Lakers are getting back Dwight and some other talent.

It's a long shot but maybe Mitch is trying to land both D-Will and Dwight.

Pau and trade exception goes to Nets, Drew goes to Orlando with Meta.

Lakers get Dwight and Dwill and junk.

It's just a theory, but do you really think Mitch would announce he's trying to get both players. Every team in the league would try and stop that from happening.

Pau and Drew for Dwight straight up,would be retarded.

Just trade machined:

Lakers Get:

Dwight

Dwill

Anderson (Orlando)

Orlando gets

Bynum

World Peace

Nets get

Gasol

The trade works.

BUt, Orlando is getting the worst of the deal, so there may need to be another player moved from NJ to Orlando and vice versa to make it worth their while.

Now, I highly doubt this would happen. BUT... interesting that it works.


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LA needs to do whatever necessary to get dwight in... bynum and gasol is a steep price... but it aslo free's L.A. up next year for a potential run at or sign and trade for deron williams is he happens to stay til the end of the year... look Dwight is a DOMINANT BIG no question... pau is officailly washed up as far as I'm concerned.. as in.. he's still a good player.. but he's more like a 15-8.5 kinda guy now... Bynums just is inconsistent on the defensive end and doesn't handle double teams well and he's only 2 years younger than dwight..... if we flipped that trade without taking back a bad contract.. we cud potentially have a team that stars DW-KB-and DH next year... if we have to take back a bad contact.. devin harris is still out there and we do have that sexy trade exception AND his contact is up after next year... GET DWIGHT!


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Thats just Bucher's answer. Never believe him.


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I wouldn't mind giving up Pau for better wing players and a decent defending PF.

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Hollywood_Randy wrote:

Lakers Get:

Dwight

Dwill

Anderson (Orlando)

Orlando gets

Bynum

World Peace

Nets get

Gasol

The trade works.

BUt, Orlando is getting the worst of the deal, so there may need to be another player moved from NJ to Orlando and vice versa to make it worth their while.

Now, I highly doubt this would happen. BUT... interesting that it works.

Orlando's owners want vets in return for Dwight. Keeping aside the fact that I think they are plain idiots.....I think we can afford to give up Steve Blake as well.

Our 1st rounder and 2nd rounder too (give Dallas' 1st rounder).

If possible, get Hedo for TPE. Send Morris to the D-League.

Orlando now gets cap space as well.

However, the Nets wouldn't accept it sadly unless we give up Morris and Ebanks and get back Farmar in return.

DWill/Fish

Kobe/Kapono

Barnes/Hedo

Ryan/Murphy

Dwight/McRoberts

Hmm......we get range.....


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blndlfty01 wrote:
Mitch will kill the Lakers if he trades both Pau and Bynum for Dwight

I do not agree this will all but ensure that D Will came to LA as well during free agency. We might not have a spectacular season but it would set us up for the next 3 years.


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4 team blockbuster:

LA gets DWill, Dragic, Dwight and Hill

NJ gets Kevin Martin, Scola, Morris, Goud3lock and a 2nd rounder from us and a 1st rounder from Dallas and 2013 2nd rounder of ours.

Houston gets Pau, Jameer and our 2013 1st rounder

Orlando gets Bynum, World Peace, Steve Blake and our Lamar Odom TPE. You can throw in Fish too. And Houston's 2nd rounder.

DWill/Dragic

Kobe/Kapono

Barnes/Ebanks/Luke

Hill/Murphy

Dwight/McRoberts

Not bad........


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how about gasol for danny granger and george hill? or gasol and artest and for iguodala and lou williams. or gasol and artest for monta ellis, david lee and dorrel wright. any thoughts?


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Def-one-24-2 wrote:
LakeRobert wrote:
Ha, no I clearly didn't. But I still think the Lakers are at the end of that list involving staying with the Nets, or being traded to the Knicks or Dallas.

Nets aren't going nowhere. Knicks aren't going to offer Melo or Amare.

Mav's don't have anything worth trading they could sign him in the summer as a free agent. The Nets are not going to let him walk they are going to want players. The Lakers need either a 3rd or 4th team to make this trade happen.

actually the knicks offered either melo or stoudamire for chris paul. and have offered amare for D12. they know they need a good point guard


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All of the players are basically untouchable except Ellis. We need a playmaker. Not a shotmaker. We get the latter in Ellis. Nope.


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KS_v2 wrote:
All of the players are basically untouchable except Ellis. We need a playmaker. Not a shotmaker. We get the latter in Ellis. Nope.

actually the pacers are looking to move granger since hes overpaid and they have his replacement in paul george and gasol would give them a great front court with hibbert.

the 76rs coach desperately wants a true big man and gasol fits the bill. they also have thadeous young at sf and evan turner at sg to replace iguodala.

and as for the warriors monta ellis is a playmaker in the same way kobe is. he isnt a true point guard but has the tools to be a lockdown defender at the position. also you cant look me in the face and tell me we dont need perimeter offense. we dont really need a pure point guard just someone who can create offense by slashing to the hoop. and he can do that and find the open man for the 3ptr. as is evident by his 7 assists per game. hes just what we need. young energetic and we can still keep bynum for a later trade


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This thread's headline should be "Laker fans looking to move Jim Buss and Mitch!"


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We wont get both DWill and Dwight but heres a way we can get Dwight and add some depth. Any thoughts?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=6tlwuo6


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KS_v2 wrote:
4 team blockbuster:

LA gets DWill, Dragic, Dwight and Hill

NJ gets Kevin Martin, Scola, Morris, Goud3lock and a 2nd rounder from us and a 1st rounder from Dallas and 2013 2nd rounder of ours.

Houston gets Pau, Jameer and our 2013 1st rounder

Orlando gets Bynum, World Peace, Steve Blake and our Lamar Odom TPE. You can throw in Fish too. And Houston's 2nd rounder.

DWill/Dragic

Kobe/Kapono

Barnes/Ebanks/Luke

Hill/Murphy

Dwight/McRoberts

I like this trade but I think Nets would have to take Hill and Ebanks and Orlando would take Scola.

Not bad........


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jsales41 wrote:
This thread's headline should be "Laker fans looking to move Jim Buss and Mitch!"

LMAO.....u are so right


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rdg0917 That would be a nice trade if Orlando would go for it and if houston still wants Pau.

Nice youre from NC. I used to live there. I went to West Forsyth High School, which is also where cp3 went.


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I really think the best way to trade Dwight is to go through Houston as our trade partner. The absolute last thing I would do is get rid of Morris, Goudelock, or Ebanks they are the only youth on the team.

Orlando would get

Martin,Bynum,Walton(Salary dump) and Picks.

Houston would get

Pau,MWP,Blake

Lakers would get

Dwight Howard, Scola, Turk... I would also pick Odom back up if Dallas buys him out.


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PTL4226 wrote:
rdg0917 That would be a nice trade if Orlando would go for it and if houston still wants Pau.

Nice youre from NC. I used to live there. I went to West Forsyth High School, which is also where cp3 went.

Yeah I live at the beach here. Near Myrtle Beach.


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I have said in another post that our FO reminds me of our do nothing congress.


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viktorkain wrote:
I really think the best way to trade Dwight is to go through Houston as our trade partner. The absolute last thing I would do is get rid of Morris, Goudelock, or Ebanks they are the only youth on the team.

Orlando would get

Martin,Bynum,Walton(Salary dump) and Picks.

Houston would get

Pau,MWP,Blake

Lakers would get

Dwight Howard, Scola, Turk... I would also pick Odom back up if Dallas buys him out.

A trade of this magnitude won't happen again from the Rockets anytime soon. Martin, Scola, and Dragic were offered to make salary cap space for Marc Gasol or Nene, not because they liked Pau Gasol that much. The absolute most the Rockets would be willing to move now is probably Luis Scola and Goran Dragic.

Jeeze, I think I need to resurrect the thread I made about this.


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This is the smartest thing Lakers could do if they cannot get Dwight or D-Will and from the looks of it, they might not. They need to tap Kobe on his shoulder tell him to sit out the rest of the season get his wrist better and focus on his family issue. That will put more attention on Bynum to learn to be double teamed and just become better. Lakers probably wouldnt make the playoffs and go into the Lotto. Lakers add a really good lotto player, Kobe's rested and Bynum is more experienced for 2012/2013 season. I'm just worried bc Lakers will make the playoffs but that's about it with this squad and the amount of mins Kobe is playing could hurt him in future seasons.


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maraud wrote:
I have said in another post that our FO reminds me of our do nothing congress.

LOL Mitch and Jim Buss's approval rating in Lakerland might be lower than the Do Nothing Congress smh.


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