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I thought officiating was astronomically worse 15 years ago than now. (Aside from allowing everyone to travel)

But that's just my opinion. Women's Volleyball!!!

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Really? Another forward. Cmon Mitch...I mean Maginka!! Lol


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Don't know if this is true, but wouldn't be surprised if multiple guys start wanting out. Don't think they have any respect for what this front office is doing to the team.

Should we be debating whether this FO is possibly worse than the last one? LOL Maybe too early? Wink


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Apparently it's done, they already signed Jamil. Yeah weird. Like we don't already have a logjam at the 3 and 4. But, at 6'7", he's only an inch taller than Kobe, and Kobe played 2/3. So maybe they could use him to replace Clarky? Then again, why? We have Hart and others already competing for minutes. Back up 3 maybe? Who is the usual backup for BI? Id have rather they brought in Blue to man the bench. he doesn't help with shooting much, but neither does Jamil. So wtf? We could use a fearless slasher anyways. And Blue is that.


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Really? Another forward. Cmon Mitch...I mean Maginka!! Lol


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This is Mitch/Jim on steroids. Lmao!!! Same standard operating procedures. Haha. Sign bums for short stints and go for home runs while hoarding cap space.

These idiots should have made a run at Gerald Green who eventually got nabbed by the rockets.


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This is the NBA, if they don't want they're feelings hurt, go home to momma.

Or go to any other franchise and find more success. Probably the more likely scenario.

Didn't even mention feelings. They have lost respect for the organization it seems. Players that seemed incredibly happy to be apart of the Lakers franchise even when we were at our lowest want out now... �" My guess is they want nothing to do with the direction they see this FO heading. Which is probably straight down.


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Should we be debating whether this FO is possibly worse than the last one? LOL Maybe too early? Wink

I'll go with too early to tell. But my gut tells me they are much worse.


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I'll go with too early to tell. But my gut tells me they are much worse.

Then we really are in deep deep doo doo. Coz the last one was about as bad as a FO can be. Sheeesh.


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Wow Bill, don't hold back. Lol


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Wow Bill, don't hold back. Lol
And he's right. I was against the Luke signing, and signing of Ball. Ball due to the father. Everyone I knew said oh forget the father, he'll disappear soon enough. I said, I don't think so. He si going to be a problem, and a distraction. And his son will be caught in the middle. That's what I said. And here we are. And since we are the 2nd worst team in the league WITH Lonzo, how much worse could we be without him? One game worse? What's the difference? I'd trade him right now,....


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And he's right. I was against the Luke signing, and signing of Ball. Ball due to the father. Everyone I knew said oh forget the father, he'll disappear soon enough. I said, I don't think so.

He si going to be a problem, and a distraction. And his son will be caught in the middle. That's what I said. And here we are. And since we are the 2nd worst team in the league WITH Lonzo, how much worse could we be without him? One game worse? What's the difference? I'd trade him right now, if it netted us a good return, which it should.

So let's explore. If we traded him, as there's no other reason not to, as in we suck so hard what does it matter. Then, just for fun, what options are there for returns? Let's run it up the flagpole and see what we can come up with. Since the FO doesn't seem to have much imagination atm. We'd need a PG. So there's that. And we'd need to appease FA's. Or do we trade for a top pick and just roll the dice again? Our rookie 28th pick is our best player, and by a lot. He's even better so far than BI, who's supposed to be the future of the franchise. And much more so than our top 3 pick Zo. So...c'mon, just for fun, what you guys got? And pls make it potentially real and probable. Not just dreams.

Highly doubt they trade him, players seem to love playing with him. Plus because of his father, doubt Lakers get back much in return. Don't think any other GM's want that circus on their hands. So I'd say you might get a pick in mid teens or able to get rid of Deng contract with him.

But disagree about how much worse we'll be, this team clearly plays better with Zo on floor , and he's starting to play a lot better, shooting 40% from 3 now, put some players around him that can actually shoot, and he'd average double figures in assists.


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Highly doubt they trade him, players seem to love playing with him. Plus because of his father, doubt Lakers get back much in return. Don't think any other GM's want that circus on their hands. So I'd say you might get a pick in mid teens or able to get rid of Deng contract with him.

But disagree about how much worse we'll be, this team clearly plays better with Zo on floor , and he's starting to play a lot better, shooting 40% from 3 now, put some players around him that can actually shoot, and he'd average double figures in assists.

Exactly the problem is not Zo but the players around him who don’t fit the style Luke wants. That falls on the roster construction by the management. Zo is the only player who plays like the way the coach wants. Bi being another who does everything the coach asks of him. It’s no joke that players like LBJ/KD/Curry have all had his back and speak highly of him.

This team sucked when he was out and there was no rhythm whatsoever with the distinct lack of ball movement. His absence was also deeply felt on the defensive end. He is a very underrated defender. We have no other guard on the roster who can replace that defensive hole.


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Highly doubt they trade him, players seem to love playing with him. Plus because of his father, doubt Lakers get back much in return. Don't think any other GM's want that circus on their hands. So I'd say you might get a pick in mid teens or able to get rid of Deng contract with him.

But disagree about how much worse we'll be, this team clearly plays better with Zo on floor , and he's starting to play a lot better, shooting 40% from 3 now, put some players around him that can actually shoot, and he'd average double figures in assists.

And we're still the worst team in the NBA. Even with him playing and shooting 40%


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Anyone up for DJ? He's having a career year. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Trade our entire front court other than Kuzma. If that's what it takes. Imagine lob city with Ball. Cousins looks like he's staying in NO. I doubt another big pending FA's get moved. PG will probably stay in OKC. But if not, it won't be til the off season that he moves on. If we got lucky, and had DJ, Kuz, PG, BI and Ball, that would be formidable.


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And he's right. I was against the Luke signing, and signing of Ball. Ball due to the father. Everyone I knew said oh forget the father, he'll disappear soon enough. I said, I don't think so.

He si going to be a problem, and a distraction. And his son will be caught in the middle. That's what I said. And here we are. And since we are the 2nd worst team in the league WITH Lonzo, how much worse could we be without him? One game worse? What's the difference? I'd trade him right now, if it netted us a good return, which it should.

It's weird that Pappa Ball wanted his son to play in LA, doing his level best to ensure that doesn't go on much longer. If Magic doesn't have the huevos to make this call, and if necc this move, he needs to be gone too. This team/franchise has suffered long enough.

So let's explore. If we traded him, as there's no other reason not to, as in we suck so hard what does it matter. Then, just for fun, what options are there for returns? Let's run it up the flagpole and see what we can come up with. Since the FO doesn't seem to have much imagination atm. We'd need a PG. So there's that. And we'd need to appease FA's. Or do we trade for a top pick and just roll the dice again? Our rookie 28th pick is our best player, and by a lot. He's even better so far than BI, who's supposed to be the future of the franchise. And much more so than our top 3 pick Zo. So...c'mon, just for fun, what you guys got? And pls make it potentially real and probable. Not just dreams.

I would Only trade Lonzo for the top overall pick or a young superstar. But I admit I am losing respect for Lonzo. If I were in his shoes my Dad would shutting the F-** up. I would make sure of it. Or his a** would be cut off and I'd make sure everyone knew that I have nothing to do with what nonsense he says.


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Anyone up for DJ? He's having a career year. I'd take him in a heartbeat. Trade our entire front court other than Kuzma. If that's what it takes. Imagine lob city with Ball. Cousins looks like he's staying in NO. I doubt another big pending FA's get moved. PG will probably stay in OKC. But if not, it won't be til the off season that he moves on. If we got lucky, and had DJ, Kuz, PG, BI and Ball, that would be formidable.

I wouldn't mind having DJ at all. But I don't think I'd want to give up very much for him. I'd do like Lopez, Bryant, Nance & a 2nd round pick.

I honestly am up to 50/50 that PG will come here. I don't care to sign him tbh, but I think there's a good chance he comes here. He doesn't ever talk about OKC long term.


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I don't think anybody should be saying Kuz is better than B.I. on a 2 yr gap difference. I'll bet on B.I. in two yrs. I can argue that he is a more complete right now...


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Shepherd wrote:
I don't disagree with you, but the problem with your point is, the Lakers are a bad team, with bad management lol. So he'll still be in the same boat. And if what you're saying is true, the drama will follow. My biggest worry tho is that Luke isn't strong or ballsy enough to be able to reign him in if trouble occurs. No doubt the guy is a beast tho.

Lakers' current FO is one of the best in the league. Magic & Pelinka compliment each other really well. Pelinka is a lawyer and a former agent (agency owner actually). He is *really* smart when it comes to all the stuff he currently has to handle. Magic is a living legend and very charismatic - well respected by ALL players in the league, and Lakers' recruiting pitches to some players might be successful because of it's Magic making the pitch.

Lakers are also not a "bad" team - they are middle of the pack team with lots of youth, upside and trade assets. Judging them by current record is short-sighted. Besides the fact, December was by far and away the toughest month of the entire season, Lakers were also missing 3 starters the whole month. Not many teams would do well when they have to play Warriors, Cavs & Rockets on b2b and then Warriors again while missing 3 starters. It was expected Lakers' winning % would drop in December even before the injuries. Once KCP is allowed to travel and February 8 deadline with all the trade rumors passes - you will see Lakers hovering around 50% Ws for the rest of the season (baring major trades, where both Clarkson and Randle leave).


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Pple used to say Glitch was one of the most respected and best GM's in the NBA. Look how that turned out. Not disagreeing with you. I've no idea if the current FO is any good. They haven't shown me anything yet. But we'll see how it goes. If they keep doing the same crap their predecessors did before them, which is all they've done so far, then I'll be worried.


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JJCali wrote:
I would Only trade Lonzo for the top overall pick or a young superstar. But I admit I am losing respect for Lonzo. If I were in his shoes my Dad would shutting the F-** up. I would make sure of it. Or his a** would be cut off and I'd make sure everyone knew that I have nothing to do with what nonsense he says.

Not that easy to stand up to a parent at 20 years old, especially if it's a great relationship. But agree Zo is going to have to say something sooner or later.

As for trading him for top pick or young star, his dad has made sure that won't happen, doubt if another GM wants to take on Lavar circus. Lol


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Lakers' current FO is one of the best in the league. Magic & Pelinka compliment each other really well. Pelinka is a lawyer and a former agent (agency owner actually). He is *really* smart when it comes to all the stuff he currently has to handle. Magic is a living legend and very charismatic - well respected by ALL players in the league, and Lakers' recruiting pitches to some players might be successful because of it's Magic making the pitch.

Lakers are also not a "bad" team - they are middle of the pack team with lots of youth, upside and trade assets. Judging them by current record is short-sighted. Besides the fact, December was by far and away the toughest month of the entire season, Lakers were also missing 3 starters the whole month. Not many teams would do well when they have to play Warriors, Cavs & Rockets on b2b and then Warriors again while missing 3 starters. It was expected Lakers' winning % would drop in December even before the injuries. Once KCP is allowed to travel and February 8 deadline with all the trade rumors passes - you will see Lakers hovering around 50% Ws for the rest of the season (baring major trades, where both Clarkson and Randle leave).

Fans or more to the point, Lakers fans are so impatient. There's teams that have been bad or in rebuild for years, just because it the "Lakers " , it's not going to make any difference in this new CBA league.


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Not that easy to stand up to a parent at 20 years old, especially if it's a great relationship. But agree Zo is going to have to say something sooner or later.

As for trading him for top pick or young star, his dad has made sure that won't happen, doubt if another GM wants to take on Lavar circus. Lol

Agree to disagree on that. I think that's one of the easiest things in the world. And I've never been a famous, multi-millionaire like Zo. Should be extremely easy for him.


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Agree to disagree on that. I think that's one of the easiest things in the world. And I've never been a famous, multi-millionaire like Zo. Should be extremely easy for him.

Don't think money has anything to do with it, Lavar is worth millions on his own. 4 to be exact. Lol


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Don't think money has anything to do with it, Lavar is worth millions on his own. 4 to be exact. Lol

Lavar's money has nothing to do with it. It's not hard to tell your parents to act right at 19... but it's even less hard if you're worth millions and don't rely on them financially for anything.


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Go get Will Barton please


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Lavar's money has nothing to do with it. It's not hard to tell your parents to act right at 19... but it's even less hard if you're worth millions and rely on them financially for anything.

Guess it depends on family. Watching their show, it doesn't seem like Zo or his brothers stand up to dad very much. Maybe he'll get there someday and tell dad to chill. Honestly don't think it's effects team that much, media play it up to be more than it was. I saw interview and Lavar said it looked like Luke had lost team from outside looking in ,but his son and no other player told him that and he could be wrong.


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Guess it depends on family. Watching their show, it doesn't seem like Zo or his brothers stand up to dad very much. Maybe he'll get there someday and tell dad to chill. Honestly don't think it's effects team that much, media play it up to be more than it was. I saw interview and Lavar said it looked like Luke had lost team from outside looking in ,but his son and no other player told him that and he could be wrong.

You watch their show? LMAO! Why? I thought Zo wasn't part of it btw. How can he be when he's busy with his day job? There should be a rule in the NBA, nay in all pro sports...call it the Odom Rule, where you can't double dip if you're under contract. And cannot under any circumstance appear in a lame azz reality tv show.


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You watch their show? LMAO! Why? I thought Zo wasn't part of it btw. How can he be when he's busy with his day job? There should be a rule in the NBA, nay in all pro sports...call it the Odom Rule, where you can't double dip if you're under contract. And cannot under any circumstance appear in a lame azz reality tv show.

It's entertaining comedy!!! Lol

And yes Zo is on it from time to time. I enjoy watching how Lavar's mind works, guy sees a marketing angle in everything.


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A lot have said don't trade for PG13 or Cousins, just sign them in FA, well guess that goes both ways. This doesn't sound particularly good, Randle could very well get away for nothing on return.


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So much for our vaunted high lottery draft pick player assets no one else wants lol. Sighhh...


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So much for our vaunted high lottery draft pick player assets no one else wants lol. Sighhh...

Not that they don't want him, don't have to trade for him.

But than again, you might be right!!! Lol


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I don't mind Randle sticking around and us having the choice to match an offer sheet on him. There is a good chance nobody throws some crazy number at him this summer. A lot of money has already been used 2 years ago with all those crazy contracts. Teams either don't have the money to just waste or are going to be very curious with what they have.

Randle isn't exactly the player teams are trying to make room for and pay him. He will be a left over guy. If he gets some kind of 20mil / year contract offer, it will be on a crap team that struck out every where else.

Randle was never going to get us a very good asset in return since he is s restricted FA and shows potential and could cost a lot. So oh well if we lose him for nothing.


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Closer to the deadline , teams will get desperate. I think teams would prefer a young talented kid and giving him money over a Deng type player that's over the hill and want some a big payday .


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I think the Lakers may be coming to reality and that their plan went from "let's get two max guys" to "uh oh, we might not get anyone."


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So lets assume for the sake of what I'm trying to show, Lakers have chosen to move Clarkson and take back no salary. And also strech Deng over 5 years for 7 million cap hit. Also I believe the cap is roughly 103 next year.

Brook Lopez GONE

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope GONE

Luol Deng $7,000,000

Jordan Clarkson TRADED

Corey Brewer GONE

Lonzo Ball $7,461,960

Brandon Ingram $5,757,120

Julius Randle $12,000,000 (Cap hold)

Tyler Ennis $1,656,092

Larry Nance Jr. TRADED

Kyle Kuzma $1,689,840

Josh Hart $1,655,160

Ivica Zubac TRADED

Thomas Bryant TRADED

2018 CAP - $37,219,172

2018 CAP to spend - 65,780,828

65 million is enough space to sign any 2 Star FA this summer.

Lebron/PG13: 65 million

Lebron/Counsin: 65 million

PG13/Cousins: 60 million

So if Randle takes a deal at what he is actually worth 12 million a year, then we could keep him and sign 2 max guys still. But if he signs 20 million offer sheet, then no way we could make it work. But do we really want Randle for 20 million a year anyways?


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IhatetheCeltics wrote:

I think the Lakers may be coming to reality and that their plan went from "let's get two max guys" to "uh oh, we might not get anyone."

I call bullsh*t... they will let Randle walk now with Kuzma here


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I think the Lakers may be coming to reality and that their plan went from "let's get two max guys" to "uh oh, we might not get anyone."

Also think it's a way to get trade value up. Saying we're not just going to give him away, we can also keep him, which I'd have no problem with at right price!!!


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I don't mind Randle sticking around and us having the choice to match an offer sheet on him. There is a good chance nobody throws some crazy number at him this summer. A lot of money has already been used 2 years ago with all those crazy contracts. Teams either don't have the money to just waste or are going to be very curious with what they have. Randle isn't exactly the player teams are trying to make room for and pay him. He will be a left over guy. If he gets some kind of 20mil / year contract offer,....


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Also think it's a way to get trade value up. Saying we're not just going to give him away, we can also keep him, which I'd have no problem with at right price!!!

Don't see how that increases his trade value. The calculus is the same for a prospective trading partner because he's a nice player, but not a great one. Teams are willing to trade, but not give up anything really good for him. That will be the case whether they put that bluff about keeping him out there, or not.


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Hey KK what is Cavs Nets pick projected at? You think they will get a high pick or are they outside the protection?


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Hey KK what is Cavs Nets pick projected at? You think they will get a high pick or are they outside the protection?

Is no protection, Cavs get pick regardless.


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Is no protection, Cavs get pick regardless.

I was asking because I heard Adrian Woj earlier today suggesting that Cavs might trade that pick for a nice piece. Lol.


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I was asking because I heard Adrian Woj earlier today suggesting that Cavs might trade that pick for a nice piece. Lol.

Yeah, heard him say that a couple days ago, but he also said it would have to be a star player, not going to give it up for DJ or player like that, unless LBJ commits to resign.


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Yeah, heard him say that a couple days ago, but he also said it would have to be a star player, not going to give it up for DJ or player like that, unless LBJ commits to resign.

I was thinking about one of our stars. Smh.

Lmao!!!!


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I was thinking about one of our stars. Smh.

Lmao!!!!

Other than Zo, as much as I hate to say it, they could do better in draft, if it's a top 5 pick. Lol


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Other than Zo, as much as I hate to say it, they could do better in draft, if it's a top 5 pick. Lol

Cmon man Dung can help LBJ big time. What’s wrong with you??

LOL!!!!


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Cmon man Dung can help LBJ big time. What’s wrong with you??

LOL!!!!

Lmao !!!


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