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But having no tax bill may be the point. For some teams. Lakers have been well under for several seasons now. Time to pay the piper. The teams that win spend more.

Same in Football, same in Baseball. Simple as that. Undeniable. Yet the NBA was trying to discourage that practice, and it backfired.

Yeah, but we have to remember Buss family aren't anywhere close to being one of the richest ownerships. Buss kids might not be like dad, especially with luxury tax penalties now.


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Yeah, but we have to remember Buss family aren't anywhere close to being one of the richest ownerships. Buss kids might not be like dad, especially with luxury tax penalties now.

Exactly. Yet they are b-ball owner royalty, being one of the few who's business is primarily the team. If they'd rather now save $ than spend and win in Dr Buss fashion, so be it.


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This was explained to me once before but I am still baffled. Why can Cleveland of all places go significantly over the cap? We are the second most valuable NBA franchise and we can't go over the cap? Explain that to the celebs shelling out BIG BUCKS (Scarface, Omar Suarez) for seats.

I am sick of this poor mouth routine.

BUY SOME FRIGGIN PLAYERS, DAMMIT!

Spend money, get rid of everyone -- by trade or buyout -- except BI, Kuz and Zo. Simple as that.


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BaadMaster wrote:
This was explained to me once before but I am still baffled. Why can Cleveland of all places go significantly over the cap? We are the second most valuable NBA franchise and we can't go over the cap? Explain that to the celebs shelling out BIG BUCKS (Scarface, Omar Suarez) for seats.

I am sick of this poor mouth routine.

BUY SOME FRIGGIN PLAYERS, DAMMIT!

Spend money, get rid of everyone -- by trade or buyout -- except BI, Kuz and Zo. Simple as that.

Cavs owner , along with others in league, own corporations outside of NBA . Buss family's business is the Lakers. And it's not that they can't go over, maybe they don't choose too, or can't afford to go as far over as other owners.

As far as getting rid everyone, think that's what they're trying to do. Lol


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BaadMaster wrote:
This was explained to me once before but I am still baffled. Why can Cleveland of all places go significantly over the cap? We are the second most valuable NBA franchise and we can't go over the cap? Explain that to the celebs shelling out BIG BUCKS (Scarface, Omar Suarez) for seats.

I am sick of this poor mouth routine.

BUY SOME FRIGGIN PLAYERS, DAMMIT!

Spend money, get rid of everyone -- by trade or buyout -- except BI, Kuz and Zo. Simple as that.

You can only go over the cap using exceptions. Once a player has been with a team 2 years plus, they start to create them for their team. For example, Durant took a pay cut to keep the warriors together. Now after being on the team 2 years they can resign him and go even further over the cap.


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You can only go over the cap using exceptions. Once a player has been with a team 2 years plus, they start to create them for their team. For example, Durant took a pay cut to keep the warriors together. Now after being on the team 2 years they can resign him and go even further over the cap.

It also helped them that Curry had those ankle problems early on his career where they signed him to that cheap deal I believe around $44 Mil. Didn't like he had to go through that but hey it did help them in signing KD the first go round..


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THis stuff is to complicated and mostly BS tweaking. We need a hard cap...period.


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THis stuff is to complicated and mostly BS tweaking. We need a hard cap...period.

Or just go back to what it was in the 80's....lol!!!


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On another note: didn't know Lakers don't have their 1st or 2nd rd picks in upcoming draft, all they have is a 2nd from Denver, which will probably be 40's or 50's in 2nd rd...smh


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kkennon1 wrote:
On another note: didn't know Lakers don't have their 1st or 2nd rd picks in upcoming draft, all they have is a 2nd from Denver, which will probably be 40's or 50's in 2nd rd...smh

It'll all be over after this year. Just put it out your mind...lol.


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Unless the FO trades the next six draft picks for Tony Parker. He's just the right age!


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Unless the FO trades the next six draft picks for Tony Parker. He's just the right age!

ROTFL!!!!!....Baad are you sitting in that lazy boy chair on that "Hen Dawg"!!!!!!....lol.


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It'll all be over after this year. Just put it out your mind...lol.

Going to be hard too, watching Celtics get Ayton or Bagley or Porter jr. Lol


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We all have to become Clipper fans until Feb 8 trade deadline....Clipps and Jazz are the only real contenders to overtake Pelicans for that last playoff spot. If one of them knocks Pelicans out of that 8th seed and they start slipping in a month - they might trade Boogie. If he thinks he's about to miss playoffs again and tells Pelicans he won't resign - I think they will seriously consider trading him for a package of Randle + Clarkson (or KCP) and a filler, like Zubac. Otherwise, Bogie walks out for nothing in a couple of months. Unlike other teams, who will be reluctant to give up assets for Cousins because he'll be UFA in a couple of months, Lakers will gladly take that gamble - they have no cap space for Randle anyway, and Clarkson is easily replacable with someone like Josh Hart, so the Lakers really won't be losing much in this trade and will be instantly becoming a lot more attractive to another top FA like Bron or PG13.


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I never understood the whole concept of we are looking for development and improvements in players and not so much wins. Doesn’t winning accounts for the most at the end of the day? How long will this organization continue to use this as an excus? I feel that this is the main reason why a lot of young players in today’s era do not have the mind set and work ethic to raise their game towards creating a winning culture. This would never have been acceptable by Kobe when he came in the league. if the organization is basically saying hey we are just looking for improvement and development in your personal game I feel that you are semding the wrong message to players. Lakers need players with wining mentality and work ethic that will help change the culture and get it back to where it once was. This is unacceptable from management, caching staff, and down to the players.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Going to be hard too, watching Celtics get Ayton or Bagley or Porter jr. Lol

Well hopefully Bagley goes to the Hawks and they baby sit him for his rookie contract then we swoop in a snatch him when he becomes a FA....lmao!!!!....Wishful thinking huh.


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lakergirl4life wrote:
I never understood the whole concept of we are looking for development and improvements in players and not so much wins. Doesn’t winning accounts for the most at the end of the day? How long will this organization continue to use this as an excus? I feel that this is the main reason why a lot of young players in today’s era do not have the mind set and work ethic to raise their game towards creating a winning culture. This would never have been acceptable by Kobe when he came in the league. if the organization is basically saying hey we are just looking for improvement and development in your personal game I feel that you are semding the wrong message to players. Lakers need players with wining mentality and work ethic that will help change the culture and get it back to where it once was. This is unacceptable from management, caching staff, and down to the players.

How many wins did the Lakers get in 2014? Can't remember? Because no one cares unless it sets a record or you win a championship.

Telling a player they want "x" wins this season puts unnecessary pressure on them to achieve success. It works for some, such as Kobe but not for everyone.

Young teams simply don't win in the NBA


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I really hope we make a move for Boggie this trade deadline. We need a center that can do what he can do. And for people who say he is to much drama, all stars are drama when they are stuck on a bad team, then add crappy management. Kobe had his fair share of drama back when he wasn't a winning a championship team.

He is avg 26ppg / 12.5reb / 5.2ast and shooting 35% from 3. He can also slow the game down with going to hoop and getting fouls, averaging 8 attempts a game.

Also his cap hold unlike PG13 is 3 million under his max deal. So getting him now, gives us 3 million more dollars to play with this summer.

Even if the Pelicans are in the playoffs, they are going to have to trade him, unless they go on some amazing run over the next month. If they let him walk, then they don't have a payroll to replace him. Same reason why Clippers had to keep Jordan, or they couldn't replace him.

Never know Boogie may love Pelicans regardless of ever having a team that can compete for a ring.


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Ray wrote:
I really hope we make a move for Boggie this trade deadline. We need a center that can do what he can do. And for people who say he is to much drama, all stars are drama when they are stuck on a bad team, then add crappy management. Kobe had his fair share of drama back when he wasn't a winning a championship team.

He is avg 26ppg / 12.5reb / 5.2ast and shooting 35% from 3. He can also slow the game down with going to hoop and getting fouls, averaging 8 attempts a game.

Also his cap hold unlike PG13 is 3 million under his max deal. So getting him now, gives us 3 million more dollars to play with this summer.

Even if the Pelicans are in the playoffs, they are going to have to trade him, unless they go on some amazing run over the next month. If they let him walk, then they don't have a payroll to replace him. Same reason why Clippers had to keep Jordan, or they couldn't replace him.

Never know Boogie may love Pelicans regardless of ever having a team that can compete for a ring.

I think it would free up even more than $3million. You have to think the Lakers would include Clarkson or Deng in the deal, so it would all depend on what they got back I guess.


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Ray wrote:
I really hope we make a move for Boggie this trade deadline. We need a center that can do what he can do. And for people who say he is to much drama, all stars are drama when they are stuck on a bad team, then add crappy management. Kobe had his fair share of drama back when he wasn't a winning a championship team.

He is avg 26ppg / 12.5reb / 5.2ast and shooting 35% from 3. He can also slow the game down with going to hoop and getting fouls, averaging 8 attempts a game.

Also his cap hold unlike PG13 is 3 million under his max deal. So getting him now, gives us 3 million more dollars to play with this summer.

Even if the Pelicans are in the playoffs, they are going to have to trade him, unless they go on some amazing run over the next month. If they let him walk, then they don't have a payroll to replace him. Same reason why Clippers had to keep Jordan, or they couldn't replace him.

Never know Boogie may love Pelicans regardless of ever having a team that can compete for a ring.

I don't disagree with you, but the problem with your point is, the Lakers are a bad team, with bad management lol. So he'll still be in the same boat. And if what you're saying is true, the drama will follow. My biggest worry tho is that Luke isn't strong or ballsy enough to be able to reign him in if trouble occurs. No doubt the guy is a beast tho.


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I think it would free up even more than $3million. You have to think the Lakers would include Clarkson or Deng in the deal, so it would all depend on what they got back I guess.

Yea i just meant in general compared to PG13, PG13 cap hold next year is max money. Cousins cap hold next year is 3 million less then max money. So we could resign him last and go over the cap by 3 million. essentially getting him at trade deadline gives us 3 million more dollars to spend then if we signed him during the summer. And if we can do it for guys, we are not planning on keeping anyways, then I love it.

Us getting Cousins or PG13 is all about them not committing to another team. If neither commit to a team at trade deadline, then the trade deals teams will throw at them will be nothing. Both players can force their way to the Lakers, if they truly want to. Both are free agents and could simply say, I want to play with Lakers trade there or ill leave the team you trade me to.


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userpete1037 wrote:
Well hopefully Bagley goes to the Hawks and they baby sit him for his rookie contract then we swoop in a snatch him when he becomes a FA....lmao!!!!....Wishful thinking huh.

I'm more concerned with Ayton and Porter Jr( if healthy) , think Bagley is more of a project, so that would workout fine with Hawks. Lol

Also Pete, could you imagine if Sixers got a hold of Trae Young!!


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kkennon1 wrote:
I'm more concerned with Ayton and Porter Jr( if healthy) , think Bagley is more of a project, so that would workout fine with Hawks. Lol

Also Pete, could you imagine if Sixers got a hold of Trae Young!!

He sure don't look like a project to me. No way but I'm not going to worry about other teams. What's going to happen is going to happen.


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He sure don't look like a project to me. No way but I'm not going to worry about other teams. What's going to happen is going to happen.

Lol, when I say project, bigger better Randle, but can't really shoot away from basket yet, which he'll need to be a great PF in league. Imo


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So, we're in 2nd to last place in the entire NBA, mind you only by 1 game, we could end up dead last with a Hawks win and Laker loss, and we don't have a pick. Suffice it to say Luke has been, ironically, the guy who was supposed to come turn us into the Warriors part deux, the best tank commander we've had so far, and he's not even trying to tank. Unreal. With NO PICK! We are worse than last year, if that's at all possible. We have players a year older, with a year more experience, and a top rookie in Kuzma, and we still suck. How is that possible? And what do we need to do about it?

No one will ride in on their white horse to save the day. One max guy cannot take a team playing .300 ball and make them into contenders. and it's not likely one, let alone 2, max guys are in a hurry to join a basement dwelling team. Something is fishy here. All their machinations the past few seasons, tanking/draft pics/coaching carousel, and we're worse than ever.

Here's something to try and digest: the Nets who we sent Russel to, are better. Tho not by much. But the point is, they are the Nets, they always suck. We are the Lakers, we don't. Since Jerry passed, nothing has gone right here. It is clearly a FO problem, the kids don't know what they're doing. It's time to admit that. It didn't help that we were in the hands of the 2 most incompetent exec pple in Hitch and Dumbo the league has perhaps ever seen. But since then we are not getting better. And did I mention we don't have a pick?

I do think it is time to NOT wait until the offseason to hope and pray someone comes here in FA. It is time to bust a move, or have a firesale for pics, a la the MLB. I do not se any other alternatives. And if they don't do it soon the ratings will keep dropping, the merch sales will keep dropping, the attendance will keep dropping, and their profits, and TWC patience no doubt, will fly out the window. It's all just so inexcusable.


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Funny...

Paul George considers Lonzo 'one of the best' players ever at age 20

http://flip.it/zbDXcg


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Shepherd wrote:
Funny...

Paul George considers Lonzo 'one of the best' players ever at age 20

http://flip.it/zbDXcg

Yeah I got a kick out of that myself....lol.


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So, we're in 2nd to last place in the entire NBA, mind you only by 1 game, we could end up dead last with a Hawks win and Laker loss, and we don't have a pick. Suffice it to say Luke has been, ironically, the guy who was supposed to come turn us into the Warriors part deux, the best tank commander we've had so far, and he's not even trying to tank. Unreal. With NO PICK! We are worse than last year, if that's at all possible. We have players a year older, with a year more experience, and a top rookie in Kuzma, and we still suck. How is that possible? And what do we need to do about it?

Here's something to try and digest: the Nets who we sent Russel to, are better. Tho not by much. But the point is, they are the Nets, they always suck. We are the Lakers, we don't. Since Jerry passed, nothing has gone right here. It is clearly a FO problem, the kids don't know what they're doing. It's time to admit that. It didn't help that we were in the hands of the 2 most incompetent exec pple in Hitch and Dumbo the league has perhaps ever seen.

I do think it is time to NOT wait until the offseason to hope and pray someone comes here in FA. It is time to bust a move, or have a firesale for pics, a la the MLB. I do not se any other alternatives. And if they don't do it soon the ratings will keep dropping, the merch sales will keep dropping, the attendance will keep dropping, and their profits, and TWC patience no doubt, will fly out the window. It's all just so inexcusable.

The season was sacrificed from the get go. They traded for an expiring contract, and decided to hoard cap space for next year. Signing KCP in the hope they could smokescreen the fan base and get some wins.

A play right out of Mitch and Jims playbook. It's like they learned nothing from Hibbert and Lin a few years back.

People keep saying the Lakers are a great destination, they have not signed any significant star in free agency since Shaq in 1996, over TWENTY years ago.


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The season was sacrificed from the get go. They traded for an expiring contract, and decided to hoard cap space for next year. Signing KCP in the hope they could smokescreen the fan base and get some wins. A play right out of Mitch and Jims playbook. It's like they learned nothing from Hibbert and Lin a few years back. People keep saying the Lakers are a great destination, they have not signed any significant star in free agency since Shaq in 1996, over TWENTY years ago.
Well no, there was Gasol, although they traded for him. But other than them, you're....


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Well no, there was Gasol, although they traded for him. But other than them, you're right. No one of great significance. Well, other than Nash and DH12 lol. But they didn't stay so they don't count. I've been saying it for years, LA is NOT a destination anymore. Locals want to think so, but it simply isn't. Taxes are too high for home games, living expanses are ridiculous, and traffic, quality of life, pple etc. I've lived here long enough to be able to say it has changed dramatically, and all for the worse. Even if those aren't the worries of players....


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The Lakers traded for D12 and Nash was signed for $9mill a year in a sign and trade, so not exactly a free agent signing, they gave up some picks..........lol

As for Kuzma, he has hardly been good on the defensive side of things all season long, not sure why he is calling the team out lol.

Yeah if you ant to say specifically through FA then Shaq was it. But in general trades are more common then FA signings.

Kuzma calls them out for effort, and he get a little slack coz he's a rookie, drafted in 28th spot, and is the best player on the team atm lol.


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Yeah if you ant to say specifically through FA then Shaq was it. But in general trades are more common then FA signings.

Kuzma calls them out for effort, and he get a little slack coz he's a rookie, drafted in 28th spot, and is the best player on the team atm lol.

Well you can't trade for players if you are hoarding cap space which is the whole point here. Free agents rarely sign for other teams so exactly what is the plan. This is one of the worst rebuilds I've ever seen from a franchise.


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Us getting Cousins or PG13 is all about them not committing to another team. If neither commit to a team at trade deadline, then the trade deals teams will throw at them will be nothing. Both players can force their way to the Lakers, if they truly want to. Both are free agents and could simply say, I want to play with Lakers trade there or ill leave the team you trade me to.


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So they release Bogut, and are looking for 10 day contracts. Tell me, someone pleaseeeeee, what is the point of that? I get releasing Bogut and putting him out of his misery here. But 10 days? Dudes, FO, listen to me. Make a damn serious move before we implode. We're the worst team in the NBA. What the f*** is the point of a bunch of temp players? Again. Auditions? Puleeez! You're embarking down the same non-committal road Skitch and Crumble went down. Do you really think that worked? Yeeeesh!


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I’m so confused, why do we need 10 day contracts? I also thought Bogut played a bit better then Lopez


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FrankBecerra wrote:
I’m so confused, why do we need 10 day contracts? I also thought Bogut played a bit better then Lopez

Unless they're doing a trade, think 10 day contract is for probably what's left on market, which might not be much. Why sign what could turn out to be garbage for more than 10 days.


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Unless they're doing a trade, think 10 day contract is for probably what's left on market, which might not be much. Why sign what could turn out to be garbage for more than 10 days.

Of course, but what I'm saying is why bother signing 10days at all? Have we ever kept a guy who started on a 10 day? I don't remember one. We don't have to replace Bogut. We still have 14 players signed for the rest of the season. So, what's the point? Still fishing for a guy on the cheap?


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So they release Bogut, and are looking for 10 day contracts. Tell me, someone pleaseeeeee, what is the point of that? I get releasing Bogut and putting him out of his misery here. But 10 days? Dudes, FO, listen to me. Make a damn serious move before we implode. We're the worst team in the NBA. What the f*** is the point of a bunch of temp players? Again. Auditions? Puleeez! You're embarking down the same non-committal road Skitch and Crumble went down. Do you really think that worked? Yeeeesh!

Makes me laugh, the old regime got berated for doing crap like this, but this one is getting a pass for everything. It's ridiculous.

If they don't land anyone in free agency I can't wait to read the excuses they come up with.


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Makes me laugh, the old regime got berated for doing crap like this, but this one is getting a pass for everything. It's ridiculous.

If they don't land anyone in free agency I can't wait to read the excuses they come up with.

Exactly. Will be interesting to see.


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Makes me laugh, the old regime got berated for doing crap like this, but this one is getting a pass for everything. It's ridiculous.

If they don't land anyone in free agency I can't wait to read the excuses they come up with.

They'll sign some one and say that's who they wanted all along. Lol


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Kwami Brown might be ready for a comeback...lol


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Looks like Clarkson wants out.


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kkennon1 wrote:
Looks like Clarkson wants out.

Bye, he thinks he's better than he really is ... just be thankful Mitch gave you that money


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kkennon1 wrote:
Looks like Clarkson wants out.

I recall Brett Brown was high on him. Might want to engage Philly.


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Green is right, the current crop of officials, with or without influence of games by the NBA (I believe it goes on, most don't), is ruining the game. has been for a few years to me, which is why I don't watch much anymore. Well, that and the fact we suck. I Have been watching bball for a very long time. And I don't remember there ever being a time before the past few seasons, when officiating was so bad. So it's not an illusion. It's not personal team bias. It's real. I've also never seen a season before the last few when players and coaches have ripped the officiating as much as they have. So clearly something is going on. Even Cool Hand Luke gave then a tongue lashing, although somehow he didn't get fined, which was interesting. Neither did Harden when he really dug in last week. Also odd. Then Green does and get slapped. It's an arbitrary unfair system, as bad as the reffing has been. We've seen it for years. Lakers don't even get calls at home. If it doesn't get better I'll just start watching Volleyball. . .


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kkennon1 wrote:
Looks like Clarkson wants out.

Don't know if this is true, but wouldn't be surprised if multiple guys start wanting out. Don't think they have any respect for what this front office is doing to the team.


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Shepherd wrote:
Green is right, the current crop of officials, with or without influence of games by the NBA (I believe it goes on, most don't), is ruining the game. has been for a few years to me, which is why I don't watch much anymore. Well, that and the fact we suck. I Have been watching bball for a very long time. And I don't remember there ever being a time before the past few seasons, when officiating was so bad. So it's not an illusion. It's not personal team bias. It's real. I've also never seen a season before the last few when players and coaches have ripped the officiating as much as they have. So clearly something is going on. Even Cool Hand Luke gave then a tongue lashing, although somehow he didn't get fined, which was interesting. Neither did Harden when he really dug in last week. Also odd. Then Green does and get slapped. It's an arbitrary unfair system, as bad as the reffing has been. We've seen it for years. Lakers don't even get calls at home. If it doesn't get better I'll just start watching Volleyball.. .

I thought officiating was astronomically worse 15 years ago than now. (Aside from allowing everyone to travel)

But that's just my opinion. Women's Volleyball!!!


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JJCali wrote:
Don't know if this is true, but wouldn't be surprised if multiple guys start wanting out. Don't think they have any respect for what this front office is doing to the team.

This is the NBA, if they don't want they're feelings hurt, go home to momma.


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