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kkennon1
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Lmao, But not really worried about Cousins, since I doubt Lakers will sign him. As for AD, he has played PF for awhile on Pels, right next to Asik and Ajinca before Cousins got there, can't help it if Pels sign centers that sucked, and forced AD to play there. He's been talked about for the last few years as being the next great PF in league.

And I'll take Whiteside's defense over Cousins stat feeling so far. But if he has a better year with Pels this upcoming season, than I might change my mind.

As for Magic ,I agree to a point, but you need a player on the court. Imo

Also in your starting 5 , I see Cousins as best player talent wise. I've been a fan of Cousins almost since he came into league, just think he has some growing up to do still, and don't know if he'll ever get there and become a player that not only puts up numbers, but actually makes team better.


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If it is inevitable that Randle must go then it should be done soon in a package to get rid of Dengs salary. The most logical route is a trade with Brooklyn again. We trade them Randle and Deng for Booker and Carroll. They have already received a 1st and 2nd for taking on Carroll from the Raptors, so they would essentially be getting Randle and two picks for cap space. They would better round out their roster by adding two power forwards where before they only had Booker. We get an expiring contract in Booker and a cheaper backup to Ingram who is a superb defender and has a good chance to return to the form he showed just two seasons ago.

One year of Carroll's salary should be much easier than Two of Den's to unload in the offseason, especially if he does return to his former shooting numbers. With that move plus the expiring contracts of Brewer and Booker we clear space for one max deal while retaining Lopez, KCP and Clarkson. I really want to see KCP extended beyond this season. I keep watching tape of him playing defense only and am convinced he is exactly what this team will need to compete going forward with the dearth of guard talent spread around the Western conference. Let's say for the sake of argument that one max slot goes to Lebron. That gives a starting five of Ball, KCP, Ingram, James and Lopez with a pretty decent bench. If we are really intent on James but he wants to bring some "friends" with him we could probably find a taker for Clarkson and let Lopez go. This would clear up space for another max guy. We would need to fill the center spot so you're looking at either Cousins or possibly DeAndre Jordan. I'm not 100% sure Lopez wouldn't work almost as well, but he certainly doesn't generate the buzz the other two would. We would also be able to sign Wade at the MLE or possibly using some cap space.


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Wade is going to be bought out before the season starts. So someone will pick him up pre-season. Since he's loaded cash money wise, and gets that $18mill buyout or whatever it will be, he could sign for a smaller contract, would have to anyways, to go play with his buds. CHI is going into full rebuild mode. Would it make sense to get Wade, and dangle him for PG and Lebron as sidekick? He might be long in the tooth now but he still got more game than anyone we have atm. And talk about a mentor for all our guards. Or offer them Clarky and Deng meanwhile, so they don't have to buy him out and they get some return?

The trade works...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaru5frd

I was hoping to get a pick for Clarky. But this aint bad either. Imagine our bench? Some guys will say why go old, better keep Clarky than get Wade. But I disagree. We're too young now is the problem. And Clarky isn't going to get better. His ceiling has been reached. CHI gets 2 players with 2 years left on their deals. So next year both are expiring, and they get something for Wade, rather than nothing.

The main reason is to dump Deng's deal. Or we could wait and try to snap up DWade once he's bought out. For Vet Min, but I doubt he'll take that. Someone will pay him. That trade doesn't make us any worse, it adds 7 wins according the da machine. And sheds salary. And adds another enticing piece of the puzzle for attracting the big guns next offseason.


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We covered this in another thread....The old sign&trades aren't allowed in this new CBA. I don't remember the details, but there are some heavy limits to both, for how many years you can sign a player that gets sign& traded, and how soon can you trade him after resigning him. NBA wants to prevent sign&trades from happening.


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If this was possible, D'Angelo Russell would be suiting up next month to play next to Lonzo Ball in Lakers' backcourt. Randle or Clarkson isn't enough to move the remaining $54M of Deng's salary...that's why it cost Russell to do it. Keep in mind in your scenario the team, trading for Randle will not be taking on just Deng's salary - Randle is RFA after next year and to keep him they'd have to match offers in $20M/year neighborhood, so by accepting this trade that team would be committing close to $40M of their payroll for the next 3-4 years to Deng & Randle....It would take Ingram or Ball to move Deng.... Randle or Clarkson ain't gonna do it. Lakers' best option is to swallow Deng's salary this year and stretch him in 2018, when his remaining 2 years will cause approximately $6M/year cap hit for the next few years.


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While I agree with you that dumping Deng's salary will be extremely difficult, I think you might be overlooking a few details. First, the Nets are already committed to Booker and Carroll for $23.5 million next season so they would actually save 2 million bucks the first year. They will have to sign somebody to play power forward next season and Randle will be one of the most talented young power forwards on the market, so why not get him a year early and lock him up to an extension early at a slight discount? The third fact is that they are already on the hook to Carroll for the 19/19 season so in reality Brooklyn would only be adding one year of salary to gain Randle and his rights. Also, you mentioned the cost of stretching Deng after next year. It would take his remaining $36 million and spread it equally over five years. So $7.4 million not 5.


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I see. DIdn't know that. Of course they want to prevent what has worked for so many years lol. So now teams with guys on the bubble have to just let them walk. What a waste. Maybe that's why they didn't get anything back for Pau or Howard afterall Wink


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And if it's done mid season someone will take a chance on Randle as a rental, esp if there's a high probability he'll sign up after the season. And that's certainly a possibility.


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I said $6M, not 5. Also cap hit and remaining $ amount on the stretched contract are not necessarily the same thing.


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It's not that different tbh.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/05/why ... -rare.html


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The Lakers would. Not him.


Shepherd
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So this is what is going on between Irving and James? Does it change anything?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nba-lebron-ja ... 24949.html


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Doesn't even matter. Just saw breaking news on ESPN that Cavs and Celtics working on a deal for Kyrie that involves I.T., Jae Crowder and draft picks.


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Ugghhh....


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LMAO!!!!....It's a done deal now Shep.


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Oh well...so be it. If DWade signs in CLE when he's bought out, they'll have a team again. But still won't be able to get past the Warriors. IT's contract is expiring. DWade will probably sign a 1 year deal.

Crowder's deal expires in 2 years. If CLE doesn't get past Boston or the Dubs next season LBJ will leave, as will Wade, and the rebuild will commence. That's my prediction anyways lol


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Sounds like for the right deal that could spell the end of Clarkson's time on the team. Not a bad move imo.


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How so? Clarkson is a combo guard and Shabazz is a tweener forward.


kkennon1
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Shabazz is a sg/sf. Personally I think Hart will make Clarkson expendable and if KCP has great year , and they decide to bring him back.


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Point is we'd have plenty o'depth at the 2/3 and won't need Clarky and his $50mill contract. Our bench this season is destined to be even better than last year at this rate. Now we need the starters to step it up. And with a true 5 now, and a true PG that should help.


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JJCali
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Well I've never thought of him as a guard, but ok. And yeah, of course if Hart showed up very good and KCP had a breakout type of year Clarkson would be expendable. But I highly doubt Hart does much as a rookie, and the odds of both of those happening are low imo. He could just as easily show that he's the best of the three players. We'll just have to see.


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Yeah, but a few years later, since he signed that contract, its become a sweet deal. To sign a good guard like that now would cost so much more.


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Which is, of course, completely ridiculous.


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kkennon1 wrote:

I've mentioned him over the years as a trade target. Always liked his scoring and toughness.


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Make it happen Rob! Wink So much for Vander sticking around I guess, if this happens.


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Man IMO, we really don't need this dude now....hell we don't but that's just me.


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I like it:

Sign him up, young and talented he plays well this guy can create his own shot he can be a great back up of Ingram. Go for it !!!

Gives us flexibility during the season, after auditioning players, not to have to stick to anyone by having enough depth to cover al the positions. Plus in case of injury.


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Shepherd wrote:
I like it:

Sign him up, young and talented he plays well this guy can create his own shot he can be a great back up of Ingram. Go for it !!!

Gives us flexibility during the season, after auditioning players, not to have to stick to anyone by having enough depth to cover al the positions. Plus in case of injury.

Not happening!!!


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Oh well. He stunk anyways lol (jk)


kkennon1
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Guess you can't blame him, Wolves look like they're about to become a playoff team. Guess he wants to be apart of that.


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Now that's funny......lmao!!!!!


kkennon1
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Sounds like there will be some trading going down this season.


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Wow. That's a lot of bigs. Can't imagine how they'll manage to trim that team down. With Bogut getting a one deal partially guaranteed deal. How many is that we're committed to now? let alone the invites.

So let's see, we have:

Lopez, Bogut, Thomas, Zubak, Zimmerman at the 5 (dang 5 x 5's, in a league going small)

Randle, Nance at the 4 (and maybe Deng), so not much depth at the 4.

Ingram, Deng, Kuzma, Brewer, Beacham at the SF spot.

Pope, Caruso, Hart, Clarky at the 2

Ball, Weber, Ennis at the PG spot

That's 19 already, not including Blue, who makes it 20. But Caruso is on a 2 way deal so he doesn't count as a roster spot. So that's 19. You'd have to assume Clarky will be traded, hopefully with Deng for a cple picks. Thomas and Zimm will spend time in the G League, so that's 15 if it all comes true. Meaning we could keep Blue if that's the case. I'm hoping it works out that way.

So it's critical we have to move Clarkson and Deng. The 2 main cogs holding things up. Not only frees up 2 spots but saves a ton of cap space. Randle will probably be next. Esp if they get their wish next offseason, or via a mid season trade if things aren't going well in CLE. I could see them sending Clarkson and Randle to CLE for LBJ really. And we only have 2 PF's atm, so likely that's where LBJ would play. With Nance as backup. Kuzma can probably stretch to 4 as well.

I guess that works out. I don't know anything about Beacham. But certainly Brewer and Ennis are expendable. So seems like there's still some flexibility. Assuming they move Clarkson and Deng. That's a must do.

Too bad Nwaba is gone. Is he picked up, or could we resign him if a spot opens up? I liked that guy.


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I don't think a decision on Randle being moved will be made until trade deadline. He has the potential to be a steal and would help us create a power house team. For example lets say Randle puts up 22/9/4 in the first half the year. We can make him a restricted free agent for only 12mil, meaning he only counts for 12mil against our cap and we can then sign him to a more realistic deal after we make all other signings.

That means we could keep Randle and still sign 2 more all stars.

However if Randle doesn't make that big leap this year, he could be a pain to trade and get anything back. Because who ever trades for him, would have to potentially be okay with giving him close to max the following year.


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Yes indeed. All true and sensible. He's playing for his next contract, where ever it might be, until the break. As for his value I don't know. I suspect we'd still get value for him, but we're the Lakers, and rarely do we get real value in return lol. Sad but true. Or we could let him play out the season and let him walk, which another unfortunate habit of ours.


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Wow, I went on Craigslist yesterday and looked at bikes, and now I get bike ads showing up all my computer screen, including targeted ads on this page. That really sucks. I hate being spied on.

And I use a VPN that rotates my ip add every 10 mins. So how is it even possible? Sad


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Do u guys think Pelinka can get Andrew Wiggins to sign with the Lakers next summer?


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Wiggins has already said he'll sign contract extension with Wolves, but he's not in any rush. But he wants to stay with Wolves. For whatever that's worth.


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PG13 seems like it might not happen, depending on OKC's season.


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As a fan of basketball, can't wait to see OKC and GSW go at it. Come on NBA season!!!!


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Man anything's possible. I'm just pumped for the season to get started.


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With PG13 and Melo joining in OKC, signing PG13 maybe not be an option. He could easily choose stay there if OKC makes it to the West finals.

I would be ok with that. I would love to have PG13, but I think he is more of a number 2 guy rather then "the" guy. A lot has been lost in how we will handle who plays center, with all the talk about Lebron and PG. I also don't think we need to more guys that plays the 3/4 spots.

I would go after Lebron and Cousins, then find a solid 2 guard option that can defend, maybe even KCP after we see how he does this year, also another guard would be Avery Bradley very solid 2gaurd. then I would also look into keep Randle if he has a monster year.

And this all would be possible, We can make Randle restricted for only 12mil cap hit, then pay him more after we sign everyone else.


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Go to CLE D-Wade........lol.


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