The Official Offseason Plan Thread (P. 18)

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userpete1037
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Wiggins was very impressive today with 41 points in a loss. I was amazed.

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userpete1037 wrote:
Wiggins was very impressive today with 41 points in a loss. I was amazed.

Yes. Yes he was. However, I thought Parker had the more impressive game with his 30. He was dominant making the game look easy. I did like the fact Wiggins was getting the superstar calls.....shows he's NBA ready Very Happy Very Happy

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So Parker is the best player but Wiggins and Embid have the biggest potential? If you're Mitch, who do you pick given the predicament we are in?

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If available Wiggins then Exum.

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Dude Wiggins killed it last night with 40pts, 8 rebounds, 5 steals, 4 blocks.. Its games like these where his potential can be off the charts..dont sleep on him

AChad92
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I love Wiggins as a player. I just hope he can be consistent and be more aggressive for March Madness. Going to be watching all these top prospects.. wish it would just start already.

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If we are going to wait for a big free agent in 2015, I say talk to Pau about recruiting Marc. Give Pau an inflated 1 yr deal in 2014, sign Marc in 2015, then Pau to the MLE in 2015. It means no KLove, but it does mean defense and instant chemistry for Kobe's last year.

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The chemistry would be off the charts. But having those 2 might pretty costly. Actually it might work. If Pau did take MLE AND Marc took a discount to play with his brother.

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Any thoughts on a draft trade with 76ers.

Lakers get Nerlens Noel and Hornets 2014 1st rounder (~11) MAYBE a Philly second rounder

Lakers trade their Lottery Pick

Lakers get a shot blocker defensive big man on a rookie contract and still have a 2014 1st round pick at their disposal

Lakers pick up best PG or SF available.....EX. Tyler Ennis, Aaron Gordon.....

Any thought on similar trades?

I actually think getting a young player and a lower draft pick is the way to go....

24All_DAY
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Nope no way unless our pick us 7th or later

chuck
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I say Exum and Embiid. Both came out publicly and said they want to come to L.A. Even Exum has Kobes agents. And rumor mill has it that he will try to force his way over like Kobe did. And Embiid just recently stated he would love to play for L.A. Maybe its Lakers destiny to always be great. But it is also gonna be tricky to get both.

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Itspnut, Why would 76ers do that when they just spent a top pick on Noel?

Kobe didn't actually do that, Chuck. If you remember, we were signing Shaq that offseason, and to make room for him at Center, we traded Vlade Divac to Charlotte for Kobe, who they had drafted.

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I do remember the Divac trade for Kobe. But realistically. Would you take Divac over a young Kobe? I mean without there being something else going on. Like Kobe wanting out. I'm just saying. But you are right JJ. He might not have for forced his way. But its the little bit of input like Exum is doing that made him a Laker.

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Well, yes. At the time Divac was a very good proven big man. If it wasn't for the Shaq signing, I think most teams would have thought it strange to trade him for the 13th pick. Back then people didn't know Kobe would be this great. Obviously or he would have been drafted way higher.

West was going to trade Divac regardless but he was brilliant to get this high school kid from Philly. I think Charlotte probably regretted it by his second year.

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True. But common sense should have told everyone if a player is drafted right out of high school. Especially at #13 ahead of proven college people. He must have a high ceiling. Point being. Look at Parker compared to Wiggins. Parker is NBA ready but Wiggins has a higher ceiling. Granted both in college but the point remains the same. (As always not an argument) just voicing opinions. Hahaha

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All my cap expert peeps can you guys tell me once and for all do we or do we not have enough cap to sign Love and say Melo or one or the other? This is under the assumption that Pau leaves and say half of the one year guys don't return. Can someone please explain the most realistic path that can be taken in regards to signing FA's?

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Not if they both took the max. If Melo took the max this year, he'd be owed about $23 million the following year I believe. That's when Love would be a free agent. If we had everybody else come off the books except Kobe & Melo we would already be at about $48 million. Not sure what the cap will be in 2 years, but it probably won't be enough. As of next year's cap that would leave us around $14.1 million left. It'll probably be higher than that, but not by that much. Plus we'd still have to sign 9 other guys. But if somehow we traded for one (Love), we'd have their bird rights and then be able to go over the cap to resign him.

But I'm no expert. There's lots of other rules that none of us have mastered.

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chuck wrote:
True. But common sense should have told everyone if a player is drafted right out of high school. Especially at #13 ahead of proven college people. He must have a high ceiling. Point being. Look at Parker compared to Wiggins. Parker is NBA ready but Wiggins has a higher ceiling. Granted both in college but the point remains the same. (As always not an argument) just voicing opinions. Hahaha

Yeah, you're correct, Chuck. But the difference is Kobe went 13th. That's not bad, but that's not great. Wiggins & Parker will go in the top 3. Kobe wasn't hyped like either of them. You know what I mean? Kobe turned out great obviously. But he wasn't the same kind of prospect as a Wiggins, Parker, LBJ, Tim Duncan, Kevin Durant of anyone drafted very high. Just for example, someone like Rodney Hood could go 13th this draft so you could say it would be like trading Marc Gasol for him. Just trying to use an example.

We got very lucky that West got Kobe and he turned out to be one of the greatest players ever!

Of course not an argument. Just discussing. I also hope Exum will try to do something like that. But I think it's a myth that Kobe tried that.

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suntzu619 wrote:
All my cap expert peeps can you guys tell me once and for all do we or do we not have enough cap to sign Love and say Melo or one or the other? This is under the assumption that Pau leaves and say half of the one year guys don't return. Can someone please explain the most realistic path that can be taken in regards to signing FA's?

Melo has stated he will come at a discount to help win a ring. He has not said who it will be for. So if Lakers sign him at a discount. Draft a young prospect. And a year later sign Love. Yes it can happen. Cap wise also. Because Lakers still have a mid level exemption and a few players already stated they want to play for L.A.

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We should ask one of the older guys if they even heard anything about that back in 96', Chuck. I think SPQR & Userpete are some old time fans.

And they'd both have to take a decent discount for us to sign both as free agents.

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So Pau possibly coming off the books still wouldn't help in signing 2 max players?

24All_DAY
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If we sign melo and Monroe we can trade Monroe middle of the season next year if love forces their hand. And if we get those two I'd use the mle on okafor and draft Wiggins. Let Kobe and melo groom him, teach him that "the next one will go down, and I refuse to lose" mentality. Once Kobe retires we will see about a year or two transition from melo as alpha to Wiggins as alpha. Keep marshal and farmar for now

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Ok. Let me back up a bit. Forget Pau for a minute. Melo decides to come to L.A. for roughly around 16-18 million. People sign for around 1 million. Much like this season. That leaves us space and our top prospect. (High hopes next). Love sees the talent Lakers have in the future and demands a trade. We have his bird right and can go over the cap. (Not likely but play along). Even if the forementioned doesn't happen. With Melo signing the contract allows us room to sign Love the following season. With Nash coming off the books and Kobe also. Which. Leaves roughly 25 million off Kobes contract alone. So now you have Love and Melo on contract with Love as an attraction piece and Melo as the kicker piece. With money to spend.

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With Melo and Love. Picture Kobe and Pau. Its almost one in the same but different. I know. Never another Kobe. But Love is a double double machine. Leaving more energy for Melo on rebounds or vise versa. Once again I'm not a Melo lover. I just see the big picture with him and Love on the same team. And of course other supporting pieces.

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suntzu619 wrote:
So Pau possibly coming off the books still wouldn't help in signing 2 max players?

No. Kobe's contract basically killed that. Salary cap is $62.1 million. Kobe makes $23.5 next year. Melo's max would be $22.3 million. That's like $48.8. Leaves us approx. $13.3 million.

24All_DAY
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Yeah we can't sign two Max contracts, but we could sign two max players on discount deals. Or pay max to melo get Monroe for 10-14 mil flip him for love then resign him to the max u can do it that way

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Yes. That is true. Just answering his question. There are other possibilities. But we can't sign 2 max contract free agents. I sent you a rep 24.

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JJCali wrote:
Itspnut, Why would 76ers do that when they just spent a top pick on Noel?

I think because the 76ers would water at the mouth if they had two top five picks in this draft. The fact that they have a chance at both Parker, Wiggins, Embiid or Exum is too good to pass up. I think they would trade Noel along with a pick.

I think the Lakers do it because a defensive shot blocking big man is very scarce right now especially one on a rookie contract. Lakers still maintain a very good ~11th pick in a deep draft. Well at least this would make sense if D'Antoni doesn't coach the Lakers the next season.

Would you guys give up the lottery pick for anything? Draft trade ideas Very Happy?

24All_DAY
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For kyrie and Cleveland's pick

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itspnut wrote:
I think because the 76ers would water at the mouth if they had two top five picks in this draft. The fact that they have a chance at both Parker, Wiggins, Embiid or Exum is too good to pass up. I think they would trade Noel along with a pick.

I think the Lakers do it because a defensive shot blocking big man is very scarce right now especially one on a rookie contract. Lakers still maintain a very good ~11th pick in a deep draft. Well at least this would make sense if D'Antoni doesn't coach the Lakers the next season.

Would you guys give up the lottery pick for anything? Draft trade ideas Very Happy?

Wouldn't Philly rather have 3 lottery picks instead of 2? Noel , Wiggins & another this season is better than just Wiggins and another this season.

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I'd give it up for Kevin Durant. Or if it includes us getting a pick in return, lots of players.

But by the rules we'd have to get another first rounder this season.

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And soo it begins.. Joel Embiid out indefinitely after seeing back specialist

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chuck wrote:
With Melo and Love. Picture Kobe and Pau. Its almost one in the same but different. I know. Never another Kobe. But Love is a double double machine. Leaving more energy for Melo on rebounds or vise versa. Once again I'm not a Melo lover. I just see the big picture with him and Love on the same team. And of course other supporting pieces.

I hope they don't both end up on the knicks

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That would be a nightmare. I think it just depends on who has the right pieces. So if the Lakers don't make a move this off season. I think he just might join Melo in NY. Melo is the only attraction piece available this off season.

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I'm confident that we will sign Melo. I don't think we'll go after Love. Unless they try to trade for him next year. Might depend on how we're playing. I don't even know if our FO is that high on Love.

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Yes. Agree with JJ. With the rumor mill of Kobe not wanting to play for D'Antoni anymore and the coach getting fired. I'm sure the Lakers will offer something. And the Lakers knowing that after they sign Melo they might not be able to get Love. They must have something up there sleeve for him. Like maybe Jordan Hill and another piece or something like that. Plus some extra cash toward Minnesota wouldn't hurt. Especially with the upcoming free agency after that.

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The first thing we need to do is get HEALTHY.......Hopefully get a good draft pick..etc.

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That healthy thing is unpredictable and draft picks. No matter who they are, are a big hit or miss. Hopefully both happen. But free agents are what's needed. Especially in this class. And the next

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chuck wrote:
Yes. Agree with JJ. With the rumor mill of Kobe not wanting to play for D'Antoni anymore and the coach getting fired. I'm sure the Lakers will offer something. And the Lakers knowing that after they sign Melo they might not be able to get Love. They must have something up there sleeve for him. Like maybe Jordan Hill and another piece or something like that. Plus some extra cash toward Minnesota wouldn't hurt. Especially with the upcoming free agency after that.

Like Melo said earlier this year, "We'll see if the Lakers have something up their sleeve." Lol

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That is correct, Pete. You are both correct. We need to use all facets of building a team: trades, free agency and the draft.

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Only Kobe and Kobe alone knows the offseason plan.

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Kobe & the FO have a plan. They always have.

MY opinion it is to sign Melo and another cheaper piece to go along with the high draft pick and a new coach.

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If they do get Melo, can they still go after Bledsoe and be 'ok'? I'm not a capologist nor do I claim to be so legitimate question is legit.

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All I know is Kobe said Gasol will be back, he's 98% sure... lol and then FO said they won't use the stretch provision on Nash... lol wtf, there's not much flexibility in the roster then...

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Gonzo. It's possible. He missed a substantial portion of the season and that will likely bring his contract down. How much probably depends on how he finishes the season. He just came back from injury. He'll still get a good contract somewhere though.

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So what do we do now, Guys? With Nash officially counting as $9.7 million against our cap next year?

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What's this bullsh*t I'm hearing about the Rockets going for Melo in the summer, f*ck that....

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^^^^^^

It would have to be a sign and trade for that to happen. The Knicks are going to want Harden. Melo to Houston is slim to none.

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Pass the pipe. You guys are smokin some really good stuff. This is going to be one of the most interesting off seasons in the history of the Lakers. It would really surprise me if Melo wound up in a Lakers uniform. Probability under 20%. But with Jim Buss making the decisions, who knows? The fact that it doesn't make any sense means that Jimmy Boy will probably bring him here. Watch the teams that win championships. Study them. What do each of them have in common? There is one single thing that they all do extremely well - no exceptions - THEY PLAY SUPERIOR DEFENSE! Did the Phoenix Suns of old, in their peak ever win a championship? Nope. They were an offensive juggernaut, but they didn't play defense, and it cost them time after time. That is a recurring theme. AND in that light, ask yourself if Melo plays defense. ANSWER: NOPE! The guy is a scoring machine, but he doesn't play the most important part of the game very well. He's not committed to it. Until our front office understands that point, the Lakers will be just another team. Watch the defensive end of the floor with Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma City, and San Antonio. Watch and learn, gentlemen. No Melo there. Melo won't help the Lakers regain their greatness. Yes, he'll be fun to watch - just like most of the Phony's teams. BUT when the chips are down, the offense sputters in the face of superior defense, and the defensive team wins the championship. The Phony is committed to offense, right? How many championships has he won in his career? None! Nada! Name a team that....

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We don't need a home run , superstar free agent eating up all of the cap in one signing. We need to address our weaknesses with a few key additions that can be a part of the nucleus for years to come. I wouldn't sign anyone over 26 and preferably guys coming off their rookie contract. We need a mix of seasoned vets and up and comers. Who we sign obviously depends on who we draft. I'm crossing that because of his back issues, Joel Embiid falls to us. We also need to figure out who the coach is going to be and what type of offensive system will be utilized. My preference would be to return to the triangle to maximize Kobe and Pau's final, and expensive final years. If not a system utilizing a series of pick and rolls. The most glaring weaknesses I see are perimeter defense and rebounding. So who should we target ? Avery Bradley - IMO, the top one on one perimeter defender after James. He holds opponents to mid 30's percent shooting. If we ran the triangle he wouldn't have to operate as a traditional pg, he could be a legitimate three and D guy. Evan Turner - I realize he isn't the most efficient offensive player around, but some of that has to be attributed to his role in Philly. In the right system his excellent passing ability would make him a major asset. Think Lamar Odom. His best attribute in my eyes is his rebounding ability as a three. He is a good defender and won't command a huge contract. Ed Davis - He won't command a huge contract and definitely wouldn't fit in a Mike D scheme, but as a traditional power forward he is poised for a breakout. He could....


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